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Twitter users given legal warning in Britain

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posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by QQXXw
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I worry more about whats in my food than the remote chance my emails are flagged for inspection by law enforcement, in which case they can sort through them until they get bored


and that's great. for you.

but what about people who wish to lead a more private life and ALSO wish to do no one harm? we've given into this culture where its better to just defer to safety and security, regardless of whether or not it produces real world results. banning certain speech and ideas from twitter is a step or two away from banning them from private communications.

let's change "twitter" to "emails" in this OP. do you still agree? should our emails be run through censorship algorithms to be cleansed of hate speech and bomb plots?




posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.


Tell that to the poor kids, or their families, who have committed suicide, or harmed themselves through online bullying.

Not everyone is as strong as you or I when it comes to this sort of abuse.

Then of course there is the racial issue as well, like with the tweets about the footballer.

As the old saying goes, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to hate.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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I believe in treating people the way I'd like them to treat me. I know it reeks of one of the 10 commandments, but I was taught this before I knew what a Bible was. But no, they shouldn't use my standards or yours. What they should do is arrest and prosecute the people who break the law instead of implementing any sort of censorship. Like yourself I break the law every time I light up, however I know the risks and accept that I could be jailed for my habit. And this is how it should be on sites like Twitter and the like. They should lay down the law and if you don't follow it you should be open to prosecution.

This would stop some from using the services, but I'd bet that the majority of people who believe wholeheartedly in what they have to say will keep posting regardless. Though, the mass migration of the more savvy Internet users to the Dark Web may lead to censorship in the end anyway.

Hit me back with something rude please, being serious is totally harshing my buzz for life.


Rev


edit on 12/5/2012 by revmoofoo because: ETA



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Freedom of speech means sometimes having to tolerate what you would rather not hear. If it only applies to a governmentally approved list of pleasantries then it is no longer free, is it?

Case in point Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church. I despise their rhetoric but wholeheartedly support their right to publicly spew their hateful tripe free from persecution.

I am surprised so many are comfortable with this idea.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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In France, a well known sportswriter, Pierre Salviac from RTL (Radio Television Luxembourg) was just laid off Wednesday from the radio for a tweet that says:

"To all my female colleagues, I say: f*** in a useful way, then you'll have a good chance to be the first lady of France"



That was a direct and disgraceful attack against the new France first lady, Valérie Trierweiler.

Source (in french)

I'm not a twitter user, but for those how knows more than me how to use it, is there a way to moderate what's everyone is saying there?
edit on 12-5-2012 by elevenaugust because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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You really think so?
I think you are deluded thinking the LEO are that smart! Some are but not all!
They are as flawed as the rest of us are!

I hate the liberty takers more than anything when I see £"$% like this...



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Go home troll, we don't need your kind here.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Quit throwing food

As scary as it sounds, people like that really do exist. They are dependant on big brother to take care of them, cowardly wusses. As long as big bro makes them feel safe, they will gladly give up whatever freedom is asked. Nothing to hide and all that bull#. Sadly, they don't know what real safety is.... I feel sorry for people like that....
edit on Sat, 12 May 2012 12:46:00 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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I will give a trillion pounds to anyone who can prove I wrote this post...any takers? I thought not... How can anyone prove I personally as the account holder wrote this? Perhaps I'm actually the brother of the account holder, or the father, or maybe the account is shared by the whole family. Perhaps a friend is using my account 'frapes' are increasingly popular on facebook.

Anytime anyone says I wrote something I wish I hadn't I simply have to say it wasn't me. Yes it was my computer but nobody can prove I typed it.

And THAT is where laws like this fail miserably, now obviously if a computer is accessing child porn or something horriffic like that you can't just sit back and say oh it could have been anyone, but really, you can't prove anything except which computer did whatever act is deemed as illegal.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by shauny

Originally posted by rikgrimsby
no free speech on twitter then... what one finds offensive another might not... time to get rid of my twitter i think


All for free speech, just it intrudes on others and causes problems, the line has been crossed.
Nobody has the right to say untrue/bigoted/racist etc things to anyone.
IMO

Shaun


what about bigots and racists? Lie to them?



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by QQXXw
reply to post by RicoMarston
 


You should not be afraid that the truth will be found out about you, it will be found out about everyone else as well.

The only internet users that are against email surveillance or law enforcement account access to popular social media are

1) racists
2) criminals/terrorists






I really must assume you go into one of these categories, for me, it worries me the lack of free will, and Im none fo the above. So methinks you really need to give it a lil more time in your head.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Tell that to the poor kids, or their families, who have committed suicide, or harmed themselves through online bullying.


Blocking a harasser is easy. Now if someone deliberately circumvents online blocking features to continue with harassment over a period of time, then it may be considered against the law, I can admit that. Otherwise, the saying about sticks and stones applies.

Those who commit suicide over something like in the OP were psychologically abnormal in the first place, and the rest of us shouldnt limit our freedom because of them.




As the old saying goes, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to hate.


But I think it does. Your crazy saying is not old, it is a part of 21st century newspeak idiocy. Hate should be perfectly legal.
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posted on May, 12 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Maslo
People should be free to insult each other. Both online and in person. Also, it is not harassment when it happens online, because you can usualy block the user.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.



So if i post your real name on Twitter and tell everyone that you are a child molester...

...you would be okay with that?

Free speech is not a right to slander...



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Freedom of speech means sometimes having to tolerate what you would rather not hear. If it only applies to a governmentally approved list of pleasantries then it is no longer free, is it?


Freedom of speech comes with responsibility and consequences. People forget that and think they can just slander anyone they want hidden behind an anonymous nickname.

If YOU were being accused of drug smuggling, but were innocent... would YOU be okay with me posting your name address and case info on Twitter...?

The courts may find you innocent later... but you will already be convicted on Twitter

90% of posters in forums have no idea what 'Freedom of Speech' means



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Freedom of speech means sometimes having to tolerate what you would rather not hear. If it only applies to a governmentally approved list of pleasantries then it is no longer free, is it?


Freedom of speech comes with responsibility and consequences. People forget that and think they can just slander anyone they want hidden behind an anonymous nickname.


you mean like the QUACK john Lear?



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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So if i post your real name on Twitter and tell everyone that you are a child molester... ...you would be okay with that? Free speech is not a right to slander...


The original post describes "racially aggravated harassment", not slander. I have never said that free speech should be absolute, I dont think it should.

But if you want to use laws against libel to justify modern PC bans on "hate", "racism", "bigotry" and "hurting someones feelings", then be assured that Id take complete free speech anarchy over such control freak BS. Child molester rumor included. I am not a hypocrite.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Twitter and Facebook are owned by the establishment. They have become data mining software, there to catch you out or trip you up and prosecute you. Why on earth would anybody want to carry on using them knowing what they are? wise up everybody, drop them like a disease. Leave the establishment staring at blank screens with nothing to show for their expense and efforts



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Lets be absolutely clear here.

The UK does not have and has never had the so called "freedom of speech" enshrined in statute law. What it has is called The Negative Right to the Freedom of Expression, which sounds like "Freedom of Speech", but it's not. What it means is you can express yourself in any manner you wish, provided it does not offend or contravene any laws.

Now, through our membership in the European Union, we have "Freedom of Speech", its not UK statute law, its EU Statute Law, which our government has to adhere to.

However, even this does not mean you can slander, offend or randomly insult people. It means you can say what you want, but you still have to accept the consequences of doing so. That may be a criminal law suit if you incite violence, etc, or a civil lawsuit if you slander or libel someone.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Gullable people.


We do not need your real name to be posted on twitter to know who you are, we do need your facebook account to know how you look, we do not need to enter in your email accounts to read what has been send and delivered.

A push of a button and 65+% americans are being tracked as i am typing or you are reading. You people need to stop thinking that what you read isn't happening. The only reason why these and relevant news like this are being mass exposed is to openly legitimize what has upto recently being done on a covert style. - google this : echelon industrial espionage



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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I'm happy to see Twitter taking a zero(ish) tolerance approach to online hate speech, because I use it both for business as well as leisure, it is primarily a business tool IMO.

If one wishes to practice their trolling skills why not do it on 4chan or something where hate speech and general BS is the norm..



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