posted on May, 13 2012 @ 06:43 AM
reply to post by oxykerfluffle
Actually, I'm simply pointing out that both we have to choose from are equally poor about keeping their word if their word on issues is taken as
entirely sincere and reflecting their values and not simply political expediency.
It's a different definition of flip flop I tend to think of. It really comes down to a very simple definition in my mind, actually, and what side of
an issue I happen to be on doesn't matter all that much. The reason for that is simple. If a man has no character and cannot stand for positions
sincerely on any one major example then I can't trust them on anything, regardless of specific position.
Thinking changes and positions do evolve, true. Those changes usually have reasons and on a major position. I absolutely need to see a reason to
believe it's sincere. They are selling themselves to US, and so it's up to them to explain it. Failing that, it's a flip.
I'll even throw out an example of an apparent flip flop, which wasn't and BENEFITS Obama. Prior to being elected he was very much the man to put an
end to detention policies and interrogation methods of the past. Gitmo would close. All manor of changes would come to the entire detainee program, he
declared. My own fear then? He'd actually DO it.
Did he flip flop?? Many say yes. No, I don't think he did because a definite change explains why he went from one side to another. He was lowly
little Senator Obama who got told what President Bush wanted told. Not much more. Then he got elected. President Obama got the 'scary' briefings
that turn President's hair gray (notice they all age noticeably?) and so his naive concepts of singing Kumbaya quite THAT quickly vanished.
No such reason seems to exist on the example I chose for the thread, and it happens to cover them both so it's a far more apt comparison point.
I can't compare Romney to a change on Gitmo or detainment policy, as I'm not aware that he has on that one. Romneycare on the other hand? Well..
Romney sure flopped on that flip, but Obama has no such point to compare there. He has been consistent about wanting socialized health care to one
form or another and degree is all he ever changed on.
If that helps explain the focus vs choice of examples and logic a bit more?