Originally posted by Autumnal
Originally posted by Darkinin
reply to post by Autumnal
The government, one of limited, enumerated powers, cannot abridge the rights of the citizens, especially those protected by the constitution, and
the Bill of Rights. The rights of the citizens were further safeguarded by the addition of the fourteenth amendment.
Already stretching into amendments? I thought we were being strict constitutionalists? Now you get to pick and choose what that really means I guess?
That is where you lose that argument because without the 19th you lose my vote.
So, if you do not belong to such a group, the citizens of the united states, why do our politics concern you, and how would the government
be able to abridge your own rights, unless you're an illegal alien, or are you under the impression that things aren't currently stacked in the
colored person's favor, as you are apparently not a white person.
Because I have a vagina and know my history. Pretty simple.
Before you pull the race card and try to call me a biased white man, I'll have you know that I'm Samoan, and that I and my rights are
treated with the same level of respect as any white man.
The modern age is wonderful with all the things that have been changed about the constitution. Odd that you would want to undo what you just seemed to
praise the conditions of.
Autumnal: While I completely agree with the idea that white folks whining about affirmative action is ridiculous...I must say that you really DO NOT
know your history OR much about the Constitution at all.
The Bill of Rights itself is composed of AMENDMENTS 1-10. Citing an Amendment isn't "stretching" nor is ignoring them in any way being a "strict
It is simply not possible to be ANY sort of "constitutionalist" (strict, or otherwise) and disregard the Amendements. Contrary to popular opinion,
the "Founding Fathers" disagreed much, were quite candid about their own fallibility, and absolutely, categorically, KNEW that was FAR FROM
Likewise...don't interpret this to mean that the "Founding Fathers" weren't largely racists, sexists, and slave-owners....because THEY WERE.
Unfortunately, the better part of the Eastern and Western world was racist and sexist at this time. This doesn't make EXCUSES for this...it simply
acknowledges reality. Likewise, I'm not saying that the 13th Amendment got rid of racism...or even set all of the slaves free in PRACTICAL SENSE.
One could argue that some Southern black sharecroppers were held in a state of quasi-slavery until well after WWII. Similarly, racism and sexism
didn't just "go away" with the Amendments....OR with the election of a black president for that matter. Both are still alive and even thriving in
some parts of the country.
However, construing the Amendments to not be part of the "real" Constitution is to blatantly not understand the document OR American History.