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posted on May, 13 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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You are so correct!!

Yep, school, even K-12, is being offered on line.

Librarians are becoming obsolete, as the computer can locate the book for you...Heck, with the kindle and other electronic readers, we don't even need libraries!

Has anybody else saw the touch screen menus at the fast-food places? Soon, if all you can do is say "What would you like to order?", you will need to upgrade your skills.

This "Jack-n- the Box' fast food chain has already started....



I'm telling ya, humans are going to have to become extremely efficient and very relevant in our near future..or get out of the way.

and yes yes yes...to be space faring, we will have to upgrade...in technology, in skill set, in medicine & biology...this is something that is rarely discussed, but I love this topic. As Dr. Michiou states, "we are not even a Type 1 civilization"...

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posted on May, 13 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie

I'm telling ya, humans are going to have to become extremely efficient and very relevant in our near future..or get out of the way.


You and all the other corporate shills of the illuminati have a lot of nerve telling people what they need to do.

I don't take orders from anyone! let that sink in fool......

A government by the people and for the people decides what to do. It is called democracy!


and yes yes yes...to be space faring, we will have to upgrade...in technology, in skill set, in medicine & biology...this is something that is rarely discussed, but I love this topic. As Dr. Michiou states, "we are not even a Type 1 civilization"...


Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!! This guy and phil platt are THE LEADING EXPERTS in ufo DISINFO! Anyone who believes a #ing word these morons say should get their head examined. I am serious!!!

If you want REAL INFORMATION then research bob lazar, phil schneider, john lear and richard hoageland!



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by openminded2011
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I am assuming you are talking about a biweekly paycheck. I have never heard of anyone at Kmart or starbucks making 5-700 a week other than a manager maybe. Definitely not associates.


Well $500 a week is $26000 for a year... I'm sure there are non-manager employees earning that much at Kmart or Starbucks...


When you find one, then let us know. Until then I am calling BS on this claim!


In fact not too long ago, Walmart got exposed for refusing to allow anyone other than senior managers, the right to work more than 39 hours per week! Do you know what that means? NO FULL TIME! It is called cheating the system!

Nevermind any overtime compensation.


And they sell PIECE OF # AMERICAN merchandise MADE IN CHINA!



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Ek Bharatiya

Originally posted by jhn7537
My question to ATS is, do all citizens here in the United States deserve a basic financial protection?


No only the people who work It's upto individual to secure a future for themselves based on their capability No one should get free handouts from the govt, It all boils down to an individual capability If they are not capable enough to secure a good future for themselves they should face the consequences for their actions.


Only in a corporate dictatorship. I have better plans for america and the rest of the world. It is called socialism.

If you enjoy slavery, then please keep your ideas to yourself. They severly disgust me!



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by fleabit
Just "suck it up" and go live in a horrible neighborhood, eating ramen and forgoing health insurance? Yea.. parent of the year award for you.

There are a lot of people in this situation. It's due to the absence of both government regulations and socialized health care (please, not Obamacare). A lot of people cannot keep their greed in check. A few become disproportionately wealthy. These are the people who rise to the top, the greedy. They also tend to be uncaring, because caring gets in the way of acquiring. Thus, we have a dog eat dog system with huge disparity of wealth.

I used to talk to formerly wealthy people who lost almost everything to the job shake ups. They were either angry or humbled. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

"Take up your china doll. It's only fractured and just a little nervous from the fall."
Robert Hunter
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And that is precisely why communist regimes had to kill millions of people. Because greed is a SICKNESS that cannot be controlled. It is a disease OF THE MIND! No amount of pyscho-therapy or medication can control or eliminate that.

I refuse to be a slave to anyone, but a payed employee of society. I demand fair compensation for any effort I put in. You want a profit, no problem...EARN IT. The government giving out bailouts FROM TAX PAYERS is a crime. I used to be a democrat only because it tolerated unions, but these bastards have sold out america just as much as republicans. They went ahead with the zionist wars in the middle east with barely any reservations. They are puppets. At least the republicans screw people up front and make no attempt to hide their sick motives.

The ptb are playing folks like a fiddle and it is becoming increasing apparent and disgusting.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Rocketman7

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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Believe it or not facism is actually good. It became dirty cause of the holocaust and because germans and italians wanted a piece of the british pie. The brits and americans had pure capitalism as their agenda as well as global domination and the creation of the state of israel.

Since the allies won they wrote history their way. I don't hate jews but you have to admit they have a mighty strong lobby in america called aipac and we have been MANIPULATED to fight THEIR WARS for 50 years now.
It was never about cheap oil because if it was then wtf is gasoline selling for $4.50 a gallon?

And why is wall street predominantly controlled by jews? The gold market? The diamonds??? You go to a doctor its a jew. You go to see a lawyer, another jew. Stating THE OBVIOUS does not make me an anti-semite although I will admit it is the mystic jews that are creating problems and not the oridinary jews! Did I mention rothchild boulevard in tel aviv? Also the richest family............HHHHHHMMMMMMM


One of the side benefits of being persecuted is that the people learn to stick together. And by sticking together they help each other and that is why you see them financially well off.

And depending on where you are standing, and on what floor, that dictates your view. But consider that from different floors, the view looks rosy. America has the largest GDP in the world and by a very long margin.
There is no other country remotely close. No other country has a tiny fraction of the wealth America has.
If you had to manage the largest economy in the world, would you not hire jews???
Good lord man, you need shrewd people in this world running your finances.
I don't approve because I am not that capitalistic but I can appreciate the benefits of guarding your fortune with 7 Jewish lawyers or something. Some opt for Mormons mind you.

Well get off your lazy butts and build us some robots. I will start a thread and explain to everyone how to make the Vic 20 of Robots for the home market. I will make you a believer.


They only have themselves to blame. The biggest curse came from hanging jesus. No one EVER liked these geeky swindlers in europe or anywhere else. They refuse to get their hands dirty and demand way beyond excessive compensation for their managerial skills.

Further capitalism is a dog-eats-dog parasitic existance perfectly illustrated by reagan's trickle down theory. All the money FIRST goes through the banks and THEN to the capitalist investor who then underpays their employee and keeps the rest for profit. Government used to have access to money via tariffs and taxation, now they ONLY get it via taxation and that is why when taxes fall they have to borrow more and more, meaning the top capitalist investors get to make interest FROM the tax payer. IT IS A LEACHING SYSTEM!

We need a supply and demand based economy based on available resources. Only a mixed economy can accomplish this. I have no problem with small and medium business doing its thing because healthy competition is excellent. The bottom feeding capitalists at the top is what we need to get rid off. Also people NEED to stop with excessive materialism and pay attention to natures needs. Greed is the mother of all evil!!



posted on May, 14 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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I know this is not related to the USA but...
While living in the UK for a total of 5 years I worked first for a company that deals with shop interiors (although I was in I.T so had nothing to do with the actual business). We had several guys working with us as subordinates at the time. I was taken on due to my Cisco related certifications and the implementation of the MPLS.
When the company finally shut down in 2009, I moved on, more or less straight away, into a job with a large cisco networking based organization. I didn't even attend a job interview for this position, just signed a contract.
The other guys who worked under us and were self taught but very skilled, went to work in completely different and low paying fields. One of them, who wanted to stay in the field of I.T and was incredibly well versed with Exchange, AD, and SQL was still unemployed when I left the country in 2011.
So I think it is entirely possible to have no work for years at a time if you have no formal qualifications. No matter how many skills you have or experience, if it isn't down on paper from a recognized educational institute, then your chances of working in a specialized field are very low and you have to aim much lower. Personally, I would be put off taking a job that paid 1/4 of the salary I had been used to for years.
Then you have to trap which is the welfare systems: You can get 3/4 of what you would be getting paid in a low pay job. If you take into account the tax for your city, your rent, your medical expenses and so on. It works out that you would be better off taking welfare than some of these low paid positions.
There needs to be a serious reform to welfare, worldwide, if they want to tackle this problem. Perhaps change it from cash to coupons that require ID for usage, for every day living? I don't know but I think this is the trap that the unemployed fall into.
They don't NOT want to go back to work, they would just be financial better off if they don't. The way to reverse this is not to punish them by reducing the already mediocre payments that they receive but to HELP them by increasing minimum wage above that of welfare payments (including all tax, rent and medical benefits) and encouraging new businesses to open.



posted on May, 14 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

They only have themselves to blame. The biggest curse came from hanging jesus. No one EVER liked these geeky swindlers in europe or anywhere else. They refuse to get their hands dirty and demand way beyond excessive compensation for their managerial skills.

Further capitalism is a dog-eats-dog parasitic existance perfectly illustrated by reagan's trickle down theory. All the money FIRST goes through the banks and THEN to the capitalist investor who then underpays their employee and keeps the rest for profit. Government used to have access to money via tariffs and taxation, now they ONLY get it via taxation and that is why when taxes fall they have to borrow more and more, meaning the top capitalist investors get to make interest FROM the tax payer. IT IS A LEACHING SYSTEM!

We need a supply and demand based economy based on available resources. Only a mixed economy can accomplish this. I have no problem with small and medium business doing its thing because healthy competition is excellent. The bottom feeding capitalists at the top is what we need to get rid off. Also people NEED to stop with excessive materialism and pay attention to natures needs. Greed is the mother of all evil!!


Well you made a lot of good points but how on earth is anything going to really change when people don't like change? For instance, lets suppose you kept the capitalist system but leveled the playing field so that you would have better competition, and better products and services?

For instance if you did away with inheritance. Any monies left after you die past 200 million or whatever ceiling you want to put, that will balance the system by design, and I will say 200 million, anything beyond that goes into a charity or back to the state local or federal government and YOU get to choose in your will.

And you can also give it to organizations for entrepreneurs. Later we will do away with that after everyone starts giving the excess to the skull and bones or their own other favorite organization of that type.
But first we would have to do away with normal inheritance excesses, and leave them thinking they can get used to keeping their pet corrupt elitist old boys club as a substitute, then later we will tax it out of existence.
(rubbing hands)

Capitalism isn't perfect thats for sure. It takes money to make money.



posted on May, 14 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
money.cnn.com...



NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- More than 200,000 long-term jobless Americans will lose their unemployment checks this week, when eight states roll off the federal extended benefits program.



Nearly half of them live in California, and the rest reside in Florida, Illinois, North Carolina, Colorado, Connecticut, Pennsylvania and Texas.



The federal extended benefits program has provided the jobless with up to 20 weeks of unemployment checks after they've run through their state and their federal emergency benefits, which together last up to 79 weeks.


Personally, I dont have a problem with this at all. Unemployment is supposed to be more of a safety net, not a long term solution. I feel that people around the country grow complacent and lazy when they know they have a check thats always going to be rolling through. People need to stay motivated, they need to stay on the job hunt and they need to try to better themselves. It cant always be left up to the government to handle everyones personal issues. What I hope is that we dont see an increase in crime (robberies, muggings, etc.) because desperate people start resorting to desperate measures committing crimes.

My question to ATS is, do all citizens here in the United States deserve a basic financial protection?


You said it. Having people collect unemployment cheques for 3 years is insane. Even in the worst economic circumstances under the Carter years, unemployment cheques ran out after 6 months.

There are always exceptions, but this should never be the rule.



posted on May, 14 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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Well you made a lot of good points but how on earth is anything going to really change when people don't like change? For instance, lets suppose you kept the capitalist system but leveled the playing field so that you would have better competition, and better products and services?


If you level the playing field for Capitalism, it's called Socialism.

True capitalism relies on having an uneven playing field.



posted on May, 14 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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The Welfare state is an 80 year old experiment that has had its day.

For 50,000 years, if you didn't work, you didn't eat, and for the last 100 years, if you don't work, that's okay, we'll help you out.

Homo Sapiens survived for 50,000 years without the welfare state. I wonder which system works best?



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posted on May, 15 2012 @ 07:41 AM
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The problem isnt that there are no jobs.The problem is that there are too many people who think that are above the jobs that are available, or that they deserve more for work they used to do. If you have been on unenjoyment for 79 weeks then you have clearly just become too comfortable living in the safety net this government provided

I collected unenjoyment for almost two years after i got laid off from my very nice overpaid job working in the o.r at one of the bigger childrens hospitals in the country. I drove myself nuts applying for and failing to get jobs comparable to what i was doing previously and at the salary i was doing it for. I had no luck ,and my luck didnt change until i swallowed my pride and took a lesser job.


So good.Glad all these people are losing benefits.It's time to push the chicks out of the nest to see if they will fly or splat on the pavement



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Germanicus


And on topic- Like I said,there are not enough jobs for Americans. And it is harder for alot of Americans than it is for you. Many have poor education and poor skills.


If someone has a poor education who's fault is it?
If a person has poor job skills, who's fault is it?

Personal responsibility is GONE! It's hard, getting skills, getting an education, pounding the pavement looking for work.

It's easy though, to blame others.
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I blame the f***** up society we are born into today. The way humanity acts in this day and age with our level of technology and resources is like giving a middle finger to the universe.

Right now we have the ability to never let a single person suffer the pain of starving to death, instead tens of thousands leave us from that every day. Some people get injured and die in the streets because other people just step over them. People are just greedy and do whatever the f*** they can to better themselves.

The entire capitalist mindset says do what you can for yourself, everyone else is just a competitor. Everybody is too stuck in the way they were brought up to say F*** this ugly system.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
The Welfare state is an 80 year old experiment that has had its day.

For 50,000 years, if you didn't work, you didn't eat, and for the last 100 years, if you don't work, that's okay, we'll help you out.

Homo Sapiens survived for 50,000 years without the welfare state. I wonder which system works best?


That's an ignorant statement. Homo Sapiens survived for 50,000 years without electricity. I wonder which system works best? 50,000 years without "insert whatever you want to demonize here." With today's technology almost all jobs pertaining to sustaining human society could be automated.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by TinkerHaus

Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by TinkerHaus

Originally posted by Germanicus


Personally, I dont have a problem with this at all. Unemployment is supposed to be more of a safety net, not a long term solution.


So what happens to these people now? What will they do?

And dont you care?

Edit- I find the basic lack of empathy in America to be disturbing. And it seems to go beyond a lack of empathy. It seems many Americans delight in the misfortunes of others.

Also,there are no jobs. Your corporate overlords sent them all to China and India. What are these poor people going to do?
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There are plenty of jobs. I am employed with three companies. Only one of my jobs is a "good" job, the other two are for supplemental income.

They could get jobs.. 79 weeks is 1.5 years. If you can't find a job in 1.5 years you should do the world a favor and check out early.


Thats a horrible thing to say. And if you work three jobs they must be crap jobs. If one is so "good", then why do you need the other two?

And you can claim there are jobs all you like.There isnt. Do you really see a heap of vacancies? Have you seen how many people are out of work? You really think there is that many jobs in America? Do the math. It doesnt work.

And you think people should kill themselves if they cant find a job? Maybe a heap of them will starve. That would be good hey?

I hope an unemployed,depressed American ATS member doesnt read your comment and take your advice.


I'm set up to retire at 55. I'm about to buy a second home and start renting out my first one.

I am a software engineer for a logistics company. I also photograph vehicles and other items on lien that are about to get repossessed - I get paid by the job and get maybe 10 assignments a month, considering all I have to do is drive somewhere and snap some photos for $25 (more if it's out of range) a pop, I guess you could consider this a pretty 'good' job too. Not enough to pay the bills, but good for stuffing into savings toward my family's future.

And, 3 nights a week for about 3 hours a night, I deliver pizzas. All the pizza money gets put in a safe for a rainy day. This isn't a "good" job but I have been averaging between $14 and $17 an hour on a nightly basis.

Yeah, everyone is hiring. There are always jobs in food service and delivery. ALWAYS. The problem is people think they're above some hard work. They have the attitude that they are "crap" jobs, like you. Lazy people who will never amount to or own anything of actual value.

I'm sick and tired of watching people sit on their asses and do nothing. My 11 year old daughter walked dogs all summer long last year to earn money for camp and some other things she wanted. Some of that money went into savings. She will probably do it again this summer too - and this was not only her choice but her idea. Why is my 11 year old more driven and enterprising than the majority of the USA?

While you're judging my 'crap' jobs I think it's fair you tell us what you do? I'm sure it's lucrative and intriguing. Please do share.

I just want to add - I don't like buying things on credit. I try to buy everything but the huge stuff (cars, houses) with cash. Right now I have $954 in bills and a huge glass jug full of silver change that could be a few hundred or more dollars. That money is "rainy day" money. There is a reason I have three jobs, and it's because I have financial goals. I am wise enough to realize that no one is going to take car of me when I'm old and brittle if I am not going to take care of myself.

Not too bad considering I have "crap jobs" eh?
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way I see it you and your generation are part of the problem , im alright jack, generation, screw those who follow , pull up the drawbridge , so you have a decent job and are about to retire , but you still see the need to deny others those 2 extra jobs that you dont need that they may REALLY need.....

BABY BOOMER GENERATION ALL OVER.!!!!

this summer your daughter may find it hard to do that if 200,000 are doing it cheaper
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posted on May, 15 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
The Welfare state is an 80 year old experiment that has had its day.

For 50,000 years, if you didn't work, you didn't eat, and for the last 100 years, if you don't work, that's okay, we'll help you out.

Homo Sapiens survived for 50,000 years without the welfare state. I wonder which system works best?



Originally posted by babybunnies


Well you made a lot of good points but how on earth is anything going to really change when people don't like change? For instance, lets suppose you kept the capitalist system but leveled the playing field so that you would have better competition, and better products and services?


If you level the playing field for Capitalism, it's called Socialism.

True capitalism relies on having an uneven playing field.


So you want to do away with all or most social services and let companies dictate who gets a job, where those jobs will be, how much they should make, how many hours they work, etc. That is exactly corporate slavery to any critical thinking person.

And level the playing field does not imply socialism. Socialism for all intents and purpose is a mixed economy. Some jobs are in the public sector(people owned and government run) and some jobs are in the private sector(corporate or non-corporate).

It is unfortunate that even canadians keep confusing a capitalist system with social welfare, with a mixed economy. In theory you can have a mixed economy and not have any social welfare system because the wealthy resent paying taxes to support the needy...of course this not very common though!

Capitalism is what we have in usa and canada. Socialism died at least 20 years ago and it was in western europe. In eastern europe they had communism where everything was owned by the people and run by the government.

I am trying to help people out with political science but the misinformation keeps getting in the way. Frankely the school system everywhere has become an absolute abomination. People do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Haze617
The problem isnt that there are no jobs.The problem is that there are too many people who think that are above the jobs that are available, or that they deserve more for work they used to do. If you have been on unenjoyment for 79 weeks then you have clearly just become too comfortable living in the safety net this government provided

I collected unenjoyment for almost two years after i got laid off from my very nice overpaid job working in the o.r at one of the bigger childrens hospitals in the country. I drove myself nuts applying for and failing to get jobs comparable to what i was doing previously and at the salary i was doing it for. I had no luck ,and my luck didnt change until i swallowed my pride and took a lesser job.

So good.Glad all these people are losing benefits.It's time to push the chicks out of the nest to see if they will fly or splat on the pavement


So instead of examining where the problem lies, you simply want to get revenge for you're suffering. I see!

Maybe you should learn chinnese and move to mongolia. I heard the yeti are hiring astronauts to go back to the moon.


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posted on May, 15 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Wow I am so glad that they are about to get off Unemployment. It will be a BIG boost to their ego when they get back in the job market. Early congrats to them!



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by Night Star
Many job hunters couldn't find employment in their same field of expertice and would try other avenues only to be told they must have previous experience, even when they were willing to train, there were no exceptions. Some were over qualified. Many were told that there were hundreds of applicants for the same positions and they would get back to them.

Many would even seek unadvertised companies to see if there were possible positions available and were told that either they laid off a lot of their people or they went to 4 day work weeks because things were so slow or they were on the verge of closing the business etc. There are many reasons why people are unemployed and it isn't just people who are lazy and not trying. There has been far too many jobs that are outsourced. With so many citizens who are sincerely looking and still unemployed while an illegal immigrant is taking a job, that doesn't help matters either.


This happened to my wife for 6 years! Lived in a small town basically staying afloat by the military base while I was on active duty. She moved down after she finished college. Applied to jobs in her field of study... must have experience. Got pregnant... took that time to tend to her pregnancy needs. 6 months after having the baby... started looking again. Must have experience. Broke down and started looking for any type of job... department stores, school bus driver, and many more. Then she's told she must have at least had a job in the past 3 years. Are you kidding me? She was a full time college student 2 years ago... but she needs to have an employer as a reference. She put down a professor as a professional reference and no places would accept that as a professional reference. It's a shame really...



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