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Originally posted by PhysicsAdept
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
Well honestly that is how a lot of people function IMO. About 25% of my income goes towards taxes, meanwhile my little brother doesn't get a healthy lunch everyday. Before I started working a few months ago, my family received NO government assistance because we are just barely out of the bracket. We make money, but because of someone in my house incurring a lot of debt many many years ago, we have no food or help (well, had). And people we knew were in slightly different (better) situations but could not help because of the life expenses they had to pay. Without them having to donate some of their income to other people... I think in my heart that they really would help
Please tell me why government force is acceptable and how the end justify the means. These social programs are paid through stolen money. What would be wrong with a voluntary system? Why must these programs be funded through threat? Also please show me one government social program that is successful.
Is it not possible in your mind that people don't donate to charities because the government has already taken their money? I know that is why I usually don't donate to any charities. Why should I? The government has taken my tax money (otherwise known as my disposable income) and decided to be the charity.
For example: if you take a system like welfare, both conservatives and liberals agree that some people both need and deserve help. Whether it is in finding a job, getting health benefits, food to eat, every person deserves chances to get their life o track. Then you have both parties also agreeing that the system we have in place is abused... The conservatives exaggerate it and the liberals overlook some of the cons due to pride issues on both sides... but the simple fact is that the system we have put into place is not really satisfying either party or helping the right people (overall, not for every case).
So then, the question is, how do you go about a system like welfare? Vote conservatively and act liberally. Put someone into office that requires everyone to have to try... Make it socially unacceptable to abuse help and make everyone need to work in order to survive... Make competition something that is encouraged and reward harder workers with more benefits. Above all else, don't force anyone to pay taxes and dump money into programs that "help" other people. Make this, instead, choice. Morality, then, needs to be slightly reformed. As a child, if you are raised in a liberal fashion, then when your neighbor needs help, it should be your moral duty to help that person. Both Christians and liberals should already do this, yet who has the money to when they are forced to spend so much on taxes and entitlement programs? HELP THY NEIGHBOR, and support the welfare of your family, that should be the goal.
Help your community, and delegate your funds locally... This is where we should be liberal as human beings. Promote freedom of speech and accept all others, but do not abuse the power of speech... Regulate your families in how they conduct their lives, but do not tell others how to live it. Help who you think needs to be helped, but don't force others to help you...
A more communal sense of living and a harder-working country CAN be achieved. Our school system is failing because it is run too liberally. BUT our education system is failing because it is run to conservatively. Our neighborhoods are failing because our schools and education systems are failing, and our country is failing because of a lack of morality. WE CAN FIX THIS. We need to start voting for freedom, and we need to start teaching our children values, hard work, acceptance, and the power of caring for those around you.
Partisanship is doom... Set aside pride. It is time to start the revolution. LET PEOPLE LIVE AS THEY WANT TO! But don't expect me to pay for them to live unless I know who they are...
I can only hope that what I have said makes any sense. I have thoughts on this, but it isn't just easy to express them by talking to myself. If something I say isn't clear, please let us discuss this further and I know everyone could see my point.
Originally posted by sageofmonticello
reply to post by jimmyx
then you should move to somalia...they have no government...so you would have no more problems, there is your perfect country with no interventions.
Great argument... Somalia is certainly the model for laissez faire government and free markets. Gimme a break, that is ridiculous to assert. Somalia is in a civil war.
Anyhow I never said government wasn't necessary, to paraphrase, I said that government playing robin hood was not necessary and morally wrong and causes more problems than it solves.
I could just as easily say to you, If you like government intervention, move to cuba, there is your perfect robin hood government.
See how stupid of an argument that would be though? Is it really that hard for you to address the concerns I brought to your attention? Is it really in your mind, government social welfare or 20+ years of civil war. c'mon...edit on 11-5-2012 by sageofmonticello because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by PhysicsAdept
reply to post by SaturnFX
Well conservative and liberal ideology overlap when they become extreme.... When I say conservative I mean TRUE conservative, which is hard-working, get what you deserve economy, government out of business, controlled spending and less government mandates and programs... That kind of stuff. Politics of today have by so much watered down conservative and liberal concepts