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And because you had these experiences, obviously vaccinations are harmful to everyone? Whatever...
One of the fittest groups of people in the nation are.. soldiers. All branches MUST get ALL vaccines when they enter service. You go through a line where you get shot after shot. In both arms at the same time in fact. Is the military full of people who are living in hospitals, having a shell of a life? Obviously not. You clearly speak for YOURSELF.. your experience hardly denotes the experience everyone has. MOST people go through all inoculations without a hitch.
Heck.. I was accidentally given two mumps shots when I went through that line - someone was in the wrong spot administering them. I was damn sore under my armpits for two weeks - hurt like hell to do all those pushups. Once they found out, they reamed whoever was giving those shots for screwing up. But I certainly didn't catch the mumps, nor give them to anyone else. So the "got inoculated and made everyone else sick" opinion is again, an isolated incident. That's not normal.
Will you have some bad experiences? Probably. Do the vast majority go through these shots without a problem? Obviously so. Your opinions that children are in a bad state afterwards is your own clearly biased opinion.
Again, I urge anyone who reads threads like this get a PROFESSIONAL opinion. Getting advice for your childrens health on a conspiracy board, would be like taking your Swiss watch to be repaired by a 5 year old with a small hammer. I'd highly recommend against it.
Originally posted by hawkiye
Originally posted by mysterioustranger
POLIO Vaccine. POLIO eradicatied in our lifetime.
Look these up and re-state your point.
PS There are many others. Lives saved over lives lost....regarding the ones that WORK.
Thanks
You didn't read the article did you...Sigh! By the way there is no evidence that Polio or any other disease has been eradicated by vaccines several doctors and scientist have done the research using the data since the inception of vaccines and proven this is not the case. However that is not what this thread is about there are plenty of other threads that have argued that incessantly so lets keep this one on topic with how and why vaccines are harming us and causing so much illness and death.
Did you read the credentials of the guy in the OP its doesn't get any more professional than that but no we should listen to some grunt who has done no research and just gives his personal experience as the be all end all... Sigh!
PS the only advice being given here is to get the facts and evidence and stop blindly following the medical establishment and big pharma propaganda!
Originally posted by research100
for people who wont vaccinate their children, you put other peoples children at risk who are too young to be vaccinated when they catch one of these diseases from YOUR child.
"Our son was too young to be vaccinated. It wasn't that we opted not to vaccinate him.. and then he contracted pertussis. He would have received that vaccine at his next well baby check," said Norton.
"My baby suffered because of other people who hadn't vaccinated. Our son died of whooping cough.. which passed from one person to another person and then down to our baby," said Richie Norton.
"You know before we had the whooping cough vaccine, we had 20-thousand kids that died from whooping cough each year in the United States and we had 20-thousand that had brain damage," said Jacobson.
Whooping cough is one of the diseases that's already making a comeback.
www.kpho.com...
Originally posted by lobotomizemecapin
reply to post by artistpoet
Im sorry to hear that but the fact of the matter is they are isolated incidents. Most of the population benefits from vaccines and besides a very small percentage of people that have bad reactions to them (due to bad batches or allergic reactions) the benefits outweigh the bad. Sorry to say but vaccines are not the culprit here. Some people get fevers from them because their systems dont tolerate them well and I imagine it causes brain damage in some people and if this happens to an infant and the fever is too high yeah its going to cause development issues. But more to the point this is only a small portion of vaccinated children as well as a small portion of autism cases. There are other causes which destroys this crock theory which I have already discussed. People want a tangible thing to blame and hate for what happens to their children and thats why they feel that vaccines are to blame. Cant really blame them for feeling that way because vaccines in a small portion of the cases did cause the harm but then you have everyone else touched by autism jumping on the band wagon when vaccines werent actually the reason in their cases.
Originally posted by mysterioustranger
POLIO Vaccine. POLIO eradicatied in our lifetime.
Look these up and re-state your point.
PS There are many others. Lives saved over lives lost....regarding the ones that WORK.
Thanks
Originally posted by karen61057
Please, thousands of lives have been saved by vaccinations. Protect your children.
Originally posted by lobotomizemecapin
reply to post by artistpoet
You are entitled to your opinion and can make your own decisions I just want to help stop this movement that appears to lack all common sense. And that is how I feel. So to each their own
As an antibiotic, Silver kills over 650 disease causing organisms; resistant strains fail to develop. Silver is absolutely nontoxic. Silver is the best all-around germ fighter we have. Doctors are reporting that, taken internally, it works against syphilis, cholera, and malaria, diabetes and severe burns. -- Bio/Tech News, 1995
Dr. Bjorn Nordstrom, of the Karolinska Institute (Sweden's equivalent of our National Institutes of Health), has used Silver in his cancer cure method for many years. He says the whole thing is quite simple. This brought rapid remission in patients given up by other doctors. -- "Silver, Our Mightiest Germ Fighter" Science Digest, March, 1978.
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by hawkiye
Ran across this 1918 - 1960 graph on pertussis. Maybe you could make the image live (I'm a failure at that )
Immunization Graphs – The Real Story on Vaccine Effectiveness
Actual statistics prove that vaccines HAVE NOT prevented disease.
farmwars.info...
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by pteridine
You misunderstand what you refer to. The graph is for mortality due to the disease
I suppose I should be offended that you assumed I don't know what mortality means.
It declined without vaccine intervention, that's the point people keep ignoring.
Since his post was spot on topic I am thinking that what you really mean is you dont want any posts that will disagree with your opening post.
The fact that there were children with polio in school with me in the 1960's and the fact that there are no kids with polio in schools these days says a whole lot about the need for vaccines.
I am 55 years old. I've been vaccinated against all of the childhood diseases that I did not get imunity from having the actual disease. ( chicken pox and measles ) I traveled to Eupope in the 60's and was vaccinated a second time so that I could travel. Here I am no strokes, no disease.
Autoimmune Diseases linked to vaccination
Vaccines & the immune system Vaccination linked to diseases
List source: The American Autoimmune Related Diseases Association
Auto-immune diseases:
Alopecia Areata
Ankylosing Spondylitis
Antiphospholipid Syndrome
Autoimmune Addison's Disease
Autoimmune Hemolytic anemia
Autoimmune Hepatitis
Behcet's Disease
Bullous Pemphigoid
Cardiomyopathy
Celiac Sprue-Dermatitis
Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS/ME)
Chronic inflammatory Demylenating Polyneuropathy (CIDP).
Churg-Strauss Syndrome
Cicatricial Pemphigoid
CREST Syndrome
Cold Agglutinin Disease
Crohn's Disease
Dermatomyositis
Discoid Lupus
Essential Mixed Cryoglobulinemia
Fibromyalgia--Fibromyositis
Graves' Disease
Guillain-Barre syndrome
Hashimoto's Thyroiditis
Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis
Idiopathic Thrombocytopenia purpura (ITP)
IgA Nephropathy
Insulin dependent Diabetes
Juvenile Arthritis
Lichen planus
Lou Gehrig's disease
Lupus
Ménière's Disease
Mixed Connective Tissue Disease
Multiple Sclerosis
Myasthenia Gravis
Pemphigus Vulgaris
Pernicious Anemia
Polyarteritis Nodosa
Polychondritis
Polyglandular Syndromes
Polymyalgia Rheumatica
Polymyositis and Dermatomyositis
Primary Agammag-lobulinemia
Primary Biliary Cirrhosis
Psoriasis
Raynaud's Phenomenon
Reiter's Syndrome
Rheumatic Fever
Rheumatoid Arthritis
Sarcoidosis
Scleroderma
Sjögren's Syndrome
Stiff-Man Syndrome
Takayasu Arteritis
Temporal Arteritis/Giant Cell Arteritis
Ulcerative Colitis
Uveitis
Vasculitis
Vitiligo
Wegener's Granulomatosis
Related:
Mercury inducing disease
Pink disease
As this book demonstrates, the number of immune related disorders, such as lupus, rheumatoid arthritis and asthma, is growing substantially. All of these disorders have been linked by careful studies to vaccines.
Originally posted by artistpoet
reply to post by pteridine
Note that the mortality drops as more modern medicine becomes available and that the mortality drops further after the introduction of the vaccine, likely due to decreased incidence of disease
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I believe this occurs because diseases are re labeled
So diagnosis changes also
AIDS is a good example of this as it is such a generic diagnosis
Often things like symptoms of Malnutrition are diagnosed as AIDS in the Third World
Unfortunately Vaccines and Drugs are big money and people too often come as a second consideration
Originally posted by pteridine
Originally posted by artistpoet
reply to post by pteridine
Note that the mortality drops as more modern medicine becomes available and that the mortality drops further after the introduction of the vaccine, likely due to decreased incidence of disease
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I believe this occurs because diseases are re labeled
So diagnosis changes also
AIDS is a good example of this as it is such a generic diagnosis
Often things like symptoms of Malnutrition are diagnosed as AIDS in the Third World
Unfortunately Vaccines and Drugs are big money and people too often come as a second consideration
Do you believe that whooping cough [pertussis] was somehow relabeled? If it was relabeled wouldn't that make it appear to decrease by itself when in fact it didn't?