The Connection between the Illuminati and Freemasons, page 1

Very quickly, and in a nutshell:

The Illuminati had a system of 9 degrees, with its 4th, 5th, and 6th degrees being the first three degrees of Masonry. The Illuminati had no actual Masonic authority to legitimately confer Masonic degrees upon anybody, so they were considered what is called a "clandestine rite", and their order was not recognized by legitimate Freemasons.

reply posted on 11-5-2012 @ 06:53 PM by protocolsoflove

Originally posted by Masonic Light
reply to post by Jbones

Very quickly, and in a nutshell:

The Illuminati had a system of 9 degrees, with its 4th, 5th, and 6th degrees being the first three degrees of Masonry. The Illuminati had no actual Masonic authority to legitimately confer Masonic degrees upon anybody, so they were considered what is called a "clandestine rite", and their order was not recognized by legitimate Freemasons.

But they were recognized and accepted around the world by illegitimate freemasons and members of this clandestine rite have been among the most influential figures in modern society.

reply posted on 11-5-2012 @ 10:21 PM by Masonic Light

Originally posted by protocolsoflove

But they were recognized and accepted around the world by illegitimate freemasons and members of this clandestine rite have been among the most influential figures in modern society.

They were recognized only by their own members, and weren't very influential. The actual organization did not stand the test of time, and ceased to exist less than a decade after it was founded. Here I speak of the actual, historical Illuminati of Bavaria, not the one which continues to live in the imaginations of the conspiracy theorists.

reply posted on 11-5-2012 @ 11:27 PM by protocolsoflove

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Producer's next album about John Dee

Until (as cayce called them) the sons of belial come forth with a new manifesto and name for themselves, or (the synagogue of satan as in the Bible) discontinue the use of illuminati symbolism and references (countless examples, the recent madonna half time show is a good example) no one is going to use any OTHER name.

They could call themselves the Fairy Tale Tooth Fairy Club for all I care but the fact remains that their aim is to ever tighten control over the minds of men and women and to loose the spirit of the beast upon the world.

reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 07:09 AM by network dude

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But what you are describing has NOTHING to do with the ideals of the Bavarian Illuminati. They existed to enlighten and encourage free thought, not control thought or control anything. I try to stay out of the Illuminati discussions these days because the conspiracy side just doesn't take the time to understand the real original group, if they did, they would not slander the name of that group. As I have said here many times, if the members of ATS actually studied what Weishaupt was doing, and the group was around today, they would want to be a part of it. The Puppet masters of today's times surely do exist, but they have ZERO to do with the original Illuminati. (IMHO)

reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 07:42 AM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Jbones
I have been searching everywhere and found some useful information regarding the two but would like you guys to explain in more detail, i understand that some people believe the illuminati still exist today but in an evil for and other believed they only lasted a short 10 years. Also freemasonry is believed to have direct ties to the illuminati but how? Thanks in advance to any responses

The theory of the Illuminati is a propaganda tool used by Russian, Rumanian and Italian fascists, Nazis,socialists, stalinists and communists to vilify Bankers/Jews/TheRich. The theory is perpetrated by mentally ill hate-mongers and embraced by the naive.

Freemasons are a boring and anachronistic old mens club that teach moral virtues and who have no real power and hardly any connections to the world elite.

The Bavarian Illuminati were a group in the 17th Century that recruited some of their men from masonic lodges and copied some masonic ritual and philosophy. They were outlawed by the Bavarian Government of the time and broke up. The reason they were outlawed is because they plotted a conspiracy to overthrow the Government.

In current day society there are a number of secret societies, clubs, organizations and cults, most of which have very little actual power. Those who have some power have not once been mentioned on sites like this. Instead people waste their precious time with smokescreen "information" that is more of an entertainment device than an actual path to truth.

The current balance of power with China, U.S. Arabs, Persians, Europeans locked in fierce competition with each other makes it almost impossible to have a collective entity such as "The Illuminati" to "control everything". Believing so is a lazy attempt to simplify how the world works in a childish manner.

The deeper psychological roots of this type of thinking lie in break of trust during childhood and the subsequent development of the "mean world syndrome" espoused by the "conspiracy theorist".

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reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 11:11 AM by emsed1

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Freemasons are a boring and anachronistic old mens club that teach moral virtues and who have no real power and hardly any connections to the world elite.

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In current day society there are a number of secret societies, clubs, organizations and cults, most of which have very little actual power. Those who have some power have not once been mentioned on sites like this. Instead people waste their precious time with smokescreen "information" that is more of an entertainment device than an actual path to truth.

I wish I could disagree, but it's mostly the truth.

I think the purpose that Freemasonry was originally founded to support is still valid. There is light and truth, but only if it can be found in the tiny space between the stretches of business meetings, dinners, charity, etc.

In addition it would be unthinkable in today's lodge to foment revolution (but I think if I were to ask my brothers outside the lodge they would agree the status quo should be dismantled). Political and religious (theology) discussions are banned, which certainly contributes to harmonious fellowship, but also permanently precludes any Freemason organization toward dumping tea in the harbor, or overthrowing tyranny.

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reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 11:42 AM by 1nOne

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More disinformation from Skyfloating, who also claims that Israel treats Palestinians decently and fairly.

Anyone doing even the minutest research into the roots of Communism and Nazism will quickly find Jewish/Freemason fingerprints all over it.

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reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 12:01 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by 1nOne
More disinformation from Skyfloating, who also claims that Israel treats Palestinians decently and fairly.

It must feel like an atrocity of galactic proportions to you that anyone dare suggest any Jew might behave decently. Anyone suggesting so would have been gas-chambered quicker than they could say "Sieg Heil" back in the day.

Anyone doing even the minutest research into the roots of Communism and Nazism will quickly find Jewish/Freemason fingerprints all over it.

The suggestion that both Nazism and Communism was created by Jews/Freemasons (used synonymously by you!) is not new to those familiar with the annals of the worlds psychiatric wards.

How did you even get to be a Moderator in the first place?

No doubt troublesome that anyone diverging from the party-line might be a volunteer-Mod on some obscure Discussion-Forum somewhere in the Internet.

I vote yours to be revoked

Go ahead, make my day. But you haven't voted or alerted have you?

reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 12:04 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by emsed1
I think the purpose that Freemasonry was originally founded to support is still valid. There is light and truth, but only if it can be found in the tiny space between the stretches of business meetings, dinners, charity, etc.

I think it may have been more exciting to be a freemason back when there was tyranny all over the place and one was a member of a secret society opposing the tyranny...

reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 12:05 PM by syrinx high priest

before you give any weight to any info on the illuminati, look for footnotes or references to the ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL

if there is no reference to OSM, you are reading speculation and fantasy

reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 12:51 PM by 1nOne

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Tell us, Skyfloating: name the 4 groups (tell us their ethnicity) responsible for the 1917 Soviet October Revolution which overthrew the Christian Tsar Nicholas (or should I say point-blank murdered him, his wife and children) resulting in a communist state that killed and imprisoned millions of Christians?

Who wrote the Communist Manifesto and tell us who his father was.

Where does the bulk of the Israeli population come from?

I know my #, Skyfloating, and I can continue exposing lies and corruption all day long, if need be.

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reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 01:07 PM by 1nOne

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If you had it your way, would you institutionalize and lobotomize Winston Churchill (along with countless other notable figures) for correctly stating that world Jewry was behind Communism?

"In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish efforts rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide revolutionary conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster has ably shown, a definite recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworlds of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of the enormous empire. There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creating of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly the very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders . . . In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astounding. And the prominent if not the principal part in the system of terrorism applied by the extraordinary Commissions for combating Counter Revolution has been take by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every bit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing. ("Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People." ILLUSTRATED SUNDAY HERALD, London, February 8, 1920.)

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reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 01:15 PM by 1nOne

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Tell us, Skyfloating, who are Obama's advisors/handlers?

ADRIEN ARCAND, New York speech, October 30, 1937 "When it came to Mexico, the promoters of Communism were the Jews Calles, Hubermann and Aaron Saenz; in Spain we saw Azaa and Rosenberg; in Hungary we saw Bela Kun, Szamuelly, Agoston and dozen other Jews; in Bavaria, we saw Kurt Eisner and a host of other Jews; in Belgium Marxian Socialism brought to power Vadervelde alias Epstein, and Paul Hymans, two Jews; in France, Marxian Socialism brought forth the Jews Leon Blum (who showed so well his Jewish instincts in his filthy book Du Mariarge), Mandel, Zyromsky, Danain and a whole tribe of them; in Italy we had seen the Jews Nathan and Claudio Treves. Everywhere, Marxism brings Jews on the top -- And this is no hazard."
HILAIRE BELLOC, renown historian in G. K.'s WEEKLY, February 4, 1937 "The propaganda of Communism throughout the world, in organization and direction is in the hands of Jewish agents. As for anyone who does not know that the Bolshevist movement in Russia is Jewish, I can only say that he must be a man who is taken in by the suppression of our deplorable press."

By the way, to keep this post topical, the controllers of the Illuminati/Freemasonry ARE Jews: just look up its founder, Adam Weishaupt.

And don't tell us, Skyfloating, that the order of the Illuminati that was founded in 1776 is in no way connected to the foundation of the United States of America by Freemasons. Please don't insult our "Goy" intelligence.

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reply posted on 12-5-2012 @ 02:11 PM by network dude

Originally posted by 1nOne
reply to post by 1nOne

Tell us, Skyfloating, who are Obama's advisors/handlers?

Holy crap! Skyfloating. I was not aware you were in on this whole thing. Are you one of those "HIGH UP" masons?
Dude, I am a little frightened right now.

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