Questions to Christians, page 2

reply to post by NOTurTypical

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Again, says you and the nice little glass house of circular logic that claims the Bible says they were "fallen angels" and the bible is gods word, blah blah blah.

I don't believe you, or whatever bible verses you throw out there.

These deities are equally valid, if not more so. I don't recall Krishna ordering the death of people who worshiped gods other than himself. There is just as much evidence, in the Rig Vedas for Krishna, if not more, as Jehovah in the Bible.

There is also a story of how Krishna and his brother had to go to war against another god and it made him (Krishna) very sad. He flew off, into the wild blue yonder, in his vimana, shortly after the battle, never to be seen again.

When was the last time anyone saw Jehovah, flying around in his pillar of fire?

Your god was jealous for a reason, he had competent competition.

reply to post by windword

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Well the thread is asking "Christians". Sometimes Christians refer to the Bible I've heard. Are you just mad these other stories confirm my faith based on Genesis 6 rather than destroy it?

reply to post by NOTurTypical

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Not mad.
I just don't agree that the first commandment means that there was only 1 god. God said he was jealous, and he didn't want them to seek out any other god but him, not that there weren't other gods, that were probably equal to him. He just had a big ego, that's all. He could only handle the Israelites, he wasn't big enough to cover the planet, or even the middle east, and there were others.

I believe the 10 commandments reflect that, quite clearly. Your argument is merely your interpretation. Also, you DON'T speak for all Christians.

Nowhere in the 10 Commandments does god claim to be the only god.

I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

reply to post by windword

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He created the universe with a spoken sentence, brought light into existence at the whim of thought. He's big enough. There were no other gods, only fallen angels desiring worship and purposing to lead men astray.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by windword

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He created the universe with a spoken sentence, brought light into existence at the whim of thought. He's big enough. There were no other gods, only fallen angels desiring worship and purposing to lead men astray.

And you know because you read it in a book, right? The King James Bible, right? See the post on my sig, and read down carefully. That particular book was the product of Sir Francis Bacon, man. A known Rosicrucian. I would also say, as a product of my research, that John Dee had a hands on in the editing process also. Better do some research there, fellow, and smell the coffee. The book has been found wanting.

reply to post by autowrench

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What is the KJB based upon? You act as if scholars dont have the Textus Receptus or the LXX. Lol. Bacon wasnt over a thousand years old. Sorry to disappoint.

Forget the English versions bro, go back to the Greek!!!

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by windword

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He created the universe with a spoken sentence, brought light into existence at the whim of thought. He's big enough. There were no other gods, only fallen angels desiring worship and purposing to lead men astray.

edit on 12-5-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

But the character quoted in the 10 commandments does not speak of being the creator, he only speaks of being the lord that led the people out of bondage.

He doesn't even claim to the only god. Just their god.

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by windword

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He created the universe with a spoken sentence, brought light into existence at the whim of thought. He's big enough. There were no other gods, only fallen angels desiring worship and purposing to lead men astray.

edit on 12-5-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

But the character quoted in the 10 commandments does not speak of being the creator, he only speaks of being the lord that led the people out of bondage.

He doesn't even claim to the only god. Just their god.

I'd go back and re-read the chapter on the 10 Commandments Exodus 20, specifically verse 11. And btw, anytime you see "LORD" in the OT the Hebrew scriptures have the Name "YHVH", LORD in all-caps is used out of respect.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

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Isn't Adonai, the god of the 10 commandments and El, or Elohim the name of the creator or creators?

Couldn't Exodus 20:11 be giving credit to the Elohim by ordering a day of rest?

Aren't there numerous names for god in the books of Moses?

At any rate, if you take the scriptures as true, god doesn't say that there aren't other gods, only that he is the only one that his people, the Israelites, should worship.

I am unable to Google the Hebrew script for each of references of god's name in the 10 Commandments to compare how many gods are referred to, but I'm guessing there is more than one. Verse 11 should refer to god as El, or Elohim there, while verse 1 and verse 7 refer to Adonai.

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NOTurTypical

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Isn't Adonai, the god of the 10 commandments and El, or Elohim the name of the creator or creators?

Couldn't Exodus 20:11 be giving credit to the Elohim by ordering a day of rest?

Aren't there numerous names for god in the books of Moses?

At any rate, if you take the scriptures as true, god doesn't say that there aren't other gods, only that he is the only one that his people, the Israelites, should worship.

I am unable to Google the Hebrew script for each of references of god's name in the 10 Commandments to compare how many gods are referred to, but I'm guessing there is more than one. Verse 11 should refer to god as El, or Elohim there, while verse 1 and verse 7 refer to Adonai.

There are numerous titles, only one proper Name for the Father (YHVH). Just like Christ has one proper Name (Yeshua/Jesus) and about 4 dozen "titles". "El" is a generic name for "god". Elohim is the Hebrew plural or basically "3 gods". "im" endings in Hebrew denote 3 or more, plural. Hebrew has a "duo", English kinda does of we say "both". But in Hebrew any "im" ending denotes a plurality of 3 or more. And every time you see "Elohim" in the Bible in the Hebrew it's in the singular context. So technically it's a grammatical error. It's like saying in English, "I went to the car dealership and bought one cars." Adonai is "Lord", as in a Master.

"EL" = god (general title)
"Elohim" = gods (general title)
"Adonai" = Lord (General title)
YHVH = The Father (proper Name)
Yeshua/Jesus = The Son (proper Name)

Here it is, now remember, Hebrew reads right to left:

11. כִּ֣י שֵֽׁשֶׁת־יָמִים֩ עָשָׂ֨ה יְהוָ֜ה אֶת־הַשָּׁמַ֣יִם וְאֶת־הָאָ֗רֶץ אֶת־הַיָּם֙ וְאֶת־כָּל־אֲשֶׁר־בָּ֔ם וַיָּ֖נַח בַּיֹּ֣ום הַשְּׁבִיעִ֑י עַל־כֵּ֗ן בֵּרַ֧ךְ יְהוָ֛ה אֶת־יֹ֥ום הַשַּׁבָּ֖ת וַֽיְקַדְּשֵֽׁהוּ׃

יְהוָ֜ה = YHVH

"YHVH" ~ Strong's #H3068

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by windword

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He created the universe with a spoken sentence, brought light into existence at the whim of thought. He's big enough. There were no other gods, only fallen angels desiring worship and purposing to lead men astray.

edit on 12-5-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

Fanstasy land that is mostly about leaving the Royals in Charge because the faked up Constantine Christianty isn't the whole story, just one mean't to confuse to allow a certain corrupt group of Royals and their Vatican Partners to run things.

Such Fantasy is nonsense. This sort of nonsense doesn't deal with the OP questions other than handwaving exercises.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by autowrench

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What is the KJB based upon? You act as if scholars dont have the Textus Receptus or the LXX. Lol. Bacon wasnt over a thousand years old. Sorry to disappoint.

Forget the English versions bro, go back to the Greek!!!

edit on 12-5-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

We went back to the Greek and found they lied about John 1 and forged the record.

Now the Tritnity isn't true and those that attempt to tell it is---tell lies and misrepresent Jesus to confuse the masses from the central problems in religion and what group of Royals got to lead.

You didn't answer the OP's questions----since the Greek tells the Bible told lies by inspection of the Greek.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

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History Lesson:

Constantine only legalized Christianity. Theodosius I made Christianity the official religion of the Empire.

reply to post by novastrike81

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Novices make that mistake a lot. The 'covenant" was entered with the people and God in Exodus 24, it begins in Exodus 20. Exodus 20 is the commandments, and 21-23 are the terms of the covenant.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by autowrench

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What is the KJB based upon? You act as if scholars dont have the Textus Receptus or the LXX. Lol. Bacon wasnt over a thousand years old. Sorry to disappoint.

Forget the English versions bro, go back to the Greek!!!

edit on 12-5-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

We went back to the Greek and found they lied about John 1 and forged the record.

Now the Tritnity isn't true and those that attempt to tell it is---tell lies and misrepresent Jesus to confuse the masses from the central problems in religion and what group of Royals got to lead.

You didn't answer the OP's questions----since the Greek tells the Bible told lies by inspection of the Greek.

You're looking at manuscripts the Gnostics altered at Alexandria in the 3rd century. They denied the deity of Christ, the resurrection , and the virgin birth and edited their versions accordingly. That's why their version is missing mark 16. It deals with the resurrected Christ. Something else they rejected.

The Textus Receptus is the "Majority Text", over 5,000 complete manuscripts agree. And stop posing, you can't read Greek,. lol

I think most know the whole story that the metaphorical ring in your nose prevents you from saying

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The Forgery Of 1 John 5:7

Late manuscripts of 1 John 5:7 are certainly not God-breathed since theologians had to get this verse in, to prove the Trinity! Why else would they try to get this verse in the Bible, if they believed the trinity was already explicitly taught? Because it wasn't, and they needed this verse to seal the deal. For Biblical inerrantists who are King James Onlyists, this would be a big problem for them. Christians have said regarding 1 John 5:7:

"In fact, most Christian scholars believe that this verse (1 John 5:7) on the Trinity was not in the original text that God inspired, since it scarcely appears in any manuscript before the fifteenth century." (Norman L. Geisler & Abdul Saleeb - Answering Islam: The Crescent In Light Of The Cross - Baker Books, 2002 - Page 310).

"This part is NOT PART OF THE INSPIRED TEXT." (John MacArthur - 1-3 John: NT Commentary - Moody Publishers - Page 196).

It is a pretty pitiful case for the Organized Church Christians as the Bible Narratives were cherry picked to hide the Essene story of Jesus and sprinkled with the old mystery school falsehood games for making a human as god. Then began the Nose Ring for the Empire to control the Christiansm that without thinking at all, were easily led by the nose. Thus, how in the Revelation's theme metaphors, there come the Beasts.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by novastrike81

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Novices make that mistake a lot. The 'covenant" was entered with the people and God in Exodus 24, it begins in Exodus 20. Exodus 20 is the commandments, and 21-23 are the terms of the covenant.

Novices also tend to not read scripture, either.

Exodus 34:10/27
And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the Lord: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.

And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

The covenant may have entered in 24, but Moses destroyed the first tablets that you seem to hold strong to. This is why he had to go back up and get a new set. The new covenant starts in Exodus 34.

So far the OP's questions has the Christians boxed in a corner from which there is no escape.

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