I want to build a free energy generator! Suggestions?

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

Please... lets not get into the discussion of "it can't be done". That is not the topic of this thread.

Free energy is not possible. I have seen an article of a German scientist, claiming to harness the "ether" in order to obtain free energy.

However, you will find it very unlikely to build a "free energy" machine, from some simple things.

Sorry man, but it can't be done.

vvv

Earth spins on over unity, something to do with the liquid iron core, and the magnetic lines, she's wound up like a coil.

What you wrote couldn't be further from the truth, in reality there are probably designs that draw from the "ether", but mostly its magnetic devices, creating a SINE wave, ie, if you use magnets, that spin you need to give them Flex.

I don't have the bandwidth to spare while at work.

There are a lot of people who have a lot of experience with electronics. Myself among them (40 years). You have electronic techs and ham operators. TPTB can't pay them all off. I wish they would pay me off. I would galdly not post on here for a measly million.

If this circuit worked as described we would have heard about it.

If I have time when I get home I'll look at the vids. But trust me it doesn't produce more than it takes in.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Ok, that makes sense, but still how hard can that be? If he thinks this works, why hasn't he done a new vid showing it, it's been a year.

How hard is it to hook up a rechargable battery and use it as a source to charge another one. If this principle works you would be able to run this thing indefinately with two sets of batteries, well one has to change between them, but still.

But I'm betting it doesn't work.

He is not on YouTube, that is a person from PESN who was interested in what he was doing and they took some footage to put on YouTube.

Ok, so does he have patents or working prototypes a year later?

reply to post by Unity_99

Earth spins on over unity, something to do with the liquid iron core, and the magnetic lines, she's wound up like a coil.

No it doesn't.

Space doesn't provide any friction to slow it down.
and
If we were to start using the Earths magnetic field to generate electricity, we would alter the rotation. most certainly extend the length of the day but also shift the position of the equator.

There is no free ride.

reply to post by RandomEsotericScreenname

Ok, that makes sense, but still how hard can that be? If he thinks this works, why hasn't he done a new vid showing it, it's been a year.

Well I don't know, why don't you try contacting him and asking why.

How hard is it to hook up a rechargable battery and use it as a source to charge another one. If this principle works you would be able to run this thing indefinately with two sets of batteries, well one has to change between them, but still.

Well it should theoretically be able to run on one battery basically forever or until the battery degrades into a useless state. And he does actually state that he left the circuit running all night and there wasn't any detectable voltage drop in the system.

But I'm betting it doesn't work.

That's what I thought at first too. And perhaps my measurements are wrong, I don't know for sure. I actually tried building this circuit several months ago and I couldn't get more out than what was going in... but after adding a larger toroid it worked. And trust me, I could hardly believe my own eyes.

I don't expect any of you to believe me, it's not easy to take the word of some anonymous dude posting on a forum. I don't blame you, I wouldn't believe me either unless I saw it for myself. Even when I create a video showing my measurement I doubt it will change the mind of many people.

And hey, that's probably better for me. Don't believe me, I don't want a bunch of attention from the power companies. This is just personal experimentation.

Ok, so does he have patents or working prototypes a year later?

The project is open source, he is not patenting anything. And again, I have no idea where he is at with this circuit.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Well, I am very skeptical, but I'll keep an eye open for it.

Let us know if you have news.

Peace.

It is just using engey that is around us.
Like solar power from the sun.

the earth has a ver powerful magnetic field.
so if you make a device that uses magnets.
you should move it so you can find the best
way to aline it with the earths magnetic filed.

some exsperiments fail becouse of this.
and dont forget that thire is a ful spectrum of engey.

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
Ok... MAJOR UPDATE here folks...

The circuit by Steven Jones (see page 2) DOES APPEAR TO WORK after I attached a larger toroid to the system. I am now measuring more watts out then what I measure going in. There's roughly 17.6 watts going in and roughly 18.2 watts going out!!! However, Steven did claim his circuit was showing an 8x over-unity so perhaps I need to tweak it some more or add an even larger toroid. I will create a video showing live measurements when I get some time.

EDIT: actually I think what I need to do is play around with my variable resistors like he was doing.

PS - the rechargeable batteries which I'm using for my camera are dead, but are currently charging. I'll try to get a video made within a few hours.

edit on 11-5-2012 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)

OK, I just had a look at the circuit diagram in the video. All it is, is an oscillator. It is just a positive feedback loop. No way that can generate "free energy". Just remember, your multimeter cannot read AC power accurately. (only at mains frequencies, AND only IF voltage and current is IN phase). If you want to know the exact power that it is drawing or supplying, use a 2-channel oscilloscope (even better a 4channel one), one channel measuring the current going into the primary winding, and the other the voltage across the primary. Then you will see a phase shift, between the 2. If you google "power factor", you will find a formula. (P=V*I*cos(theta)). That gives you the real input power. Once you start drawing current (power) from your oscillator, (do it through a diode, supplying an electrolytic cap, load in parallel with the cap if you use 2 multimeters, else you can just use a series resitor in the ground line of your secondary to hook your 3rd scope channel on, and and another scope probe over your output from the transformer). That way you can measure DC voltage and current into your load), then you can use the formula for AC power, and compare it to your output power. You will see that you WILL draw less power than what you supply to this load.
The important thing to remember here is that your multimeter does not give you a indication of the phase angle between voltage and current.

I have a love-hate relationship with the circuit shown in that video, because in some parts of the RF spectrum, a slight derivation from that circuit was as close as the perfect, low-noise RF amp you can get (the lossless-feedback amp). I battled for 15years with those types of amps, to keep them from oscillating, so I've studied that configuration in the smallest details. If I ever noticed that that configuration gave out more energy than what went into it, I would have been a billionaire by now.


Yes, a larger toroid will make a difference in your results, if you use a multimeter, because the phase angle will change. That just means that the oscillator oscillates at a lower frequency. Use an oscilloscope, and learn how to measure current with an oscilloscope. You cannot use a multimeter reliably to measure AC if you want to convert that into power. You need to keep the power factor in mind, which a multimeter cannot give you.

On second thoughts. It is a very simple circuit OP, you can easily simulate it with software, and see where it gets you. Just download the version of pSpice by Analog Devices (for free) here pspice, read up how to stimulate a circuit, and run the simulation on it. Then you will see if that circuit works. You will get something for free, and that is how to learn how to use an essential tool when you want to work with electronics.

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
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And hey, that's probably better for me. Don't believe me, I don't want a bunch of attention from the power companies. This is just personal experimentation.

No you don't. Happened to me in 1995 when my electrical bill dropped from $340 a month to about $40. The electrical company gets very invasive. Sent me letters asking if I had changed to gas heat, sent out tech's to test the meter and then change the meter. Then they sent out a tech and an engineer who wanted to see what I was doing. Fortunately, I was working with the NRC and that kept them out of my lab, they only got to look a the electrical panel LOL.

A little clue, it's all about fields and your ability to manipulate them. You mentioned using a toroidal transformer, well, that's the right field shape to start with, but the wrong material. It's extremely improbably that you will achieve "free" energy unless you alter and manipulate quantum states.

Cheers - Dave