Pet Dogs Arrested in Iran

Personally, I think this is ridiculous. Who am I to judge? It is their culture and if they want to detain someone's pet for whatever reason? Who is going to stop them? I have seen this thread turn into a cats vs. dogs debate. I will say that I am more partial to cats, but have had a few dogs along the way. Cats in my humble opinion are far more intelligent, dignified, more sanitary, and regal compared to their slobbering, aloof, and noisy counterparts. Just my opinion of course, and we all know opinions are like that area in your drawers that everyone seems to have. To each their own.

I feel bad for the owners that are getting harassed, unduly fined, and having their pet seized for nothing more than rubbing the religious leadership the wrong way. Perhaps, they can make appeals to their local imams to broker on their behalf with the religious authorities? I realize that traditionally dogs are considered unclean among Muslims. If I recall, the Prophet Muhammed owned a cat by the name of Muezza?

However, they do serve a purpose such herding cattle, guarding one's home, and are quite good at finding things people are trying to hide like narcotics and explosive materials. All I am saying is dogs have their benefits for their respective owners. What is the harm for someone to own a pet dog, and walking it in the park as long is it is well taken care of and properly trained? It is their culture and tradition and not mine.

Maybe the police got a lead......

I'll get my coat.

CX.

Originally posted by Jakes51
I feel bad for the owners that are getting harassed, unduly fined, and having their pet seized for nothing more than rubbing the religious leadership the wrong way. Perhaps, they can make appeals to their local imams to broker on their behalf with the religious authorities?

The local Imans will be as opposed to dogs as the higher up religious leaders. According to the Hadith, neither angels nor Muhammad appear to like dogs very much.

Originally posted by Jakes51
Personally, I think this is ridiculous. Who am I to judge? It is their culture and if they want to detain someone's pet for whatever reason? Who is going to stop them?

If dog owners were infringing other Iranians rights in some sort of way, then I would agree with you. That however doesn't appear to be the justification. Rather, an invisible angel told a man that an invisible god who no one has ever seen, didn't like dogs much.

I can only hope that an invisible angel doesn't tell a man that an invisible god doesn't like me much.

reply to post by ollncasino


I agree with everything you have said. No objections by me, and I am familiar with that Hadith as well. I only mentioned the local imam aspect as some form of redress. I think what the Iranian authorities did was ridiculous, and stinks to high heaven. However, what can be done about it. That is the question?

For people to go against the grain by owning dogs tells me these people most likely formed a very strong bond with the critter. This is nothing but sad. Knowing how some people feel about their dogs I would compare it to taking away someones best friend or family member. This is just mean bullying without one ounce of human compassion.

For some to step outside the box by choosing to own dogs is probably where the problem lies. I imagine some Islamic states don't like outside the box thinkers. I'd say it's more about controlling the populace.

I'm a country woman most animals are pretty filthy. Believe me the 4-H livestock you see at the fair are the best of the best. The cattle I see here on the open range are disgusting. Chickens/sheep and goats smell the worst. I like pigs and find it hard to eat pork but I do.

I've been both a cat/dog owner. All have worked and are valued. My dogs hunted rabbits and shared with each other. They never brought me one morsel. My cats on the other hand leave me birds, huge pack rats, mice and rabbits. They never touch them because they're meant for me.

My dogs could be unreliable in their behavior but if you know cat behavior they can tell you a lot. Since my dogs died of old age I've just got cats. There's animals in my woods that will eat me. When I walk in the woods my cats go with me. They stay by my side better than the dogs ever did. I watch them and if I see their tail get big and fluffed up I know something's up. My cats know the sound of my hubby's car when he's coming down the road. They don't like strange cars and will hide but when they know it's dad they wait for him. All animals are smart each in their own way you've just got to learn how to read them.

I challenge any of you to outsmart a "dumb" animal. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by Renegade2283

 

So I have to like dirty dogs and pretend they are smart or Im a bigot? Dont be silly.

And you guys are attacking me with insults now just because I disagree with you. Dont you like me?

You can teach a cat to make tricks and make them behave very similarly to dogs. But the culture around cats is different than dogs. You can let a dog make up its own mind too, but the fact is that the behavior of dogs is heavily influenced by thousands of years of selective breeding. Dogs can be very intelligent, but it's in their nature to get very attached to the owner and try to be as helpful as possible. Of course this behavior needs to be reinforced by training, an untrained dog can be just as moody and "independent" as a cat.

On topic, I don't see a problem with it. Iran and islamic countries in general have their own set of norms and rules regarding pets and specifically dogs, and on some aspects it makes a lot of sense. There's less problem with the plastic culture of lapdogs, which leads to a myriad of problems like dog abandonment, deformities through breeding, hereditary disease etc. My humble opinion is that a dog should not be simply a pet, but should always serve a purpose be it protection, hunting, helping people with disabilities, saving people and other police work. Unlike cats, dogs are basically meant for this kind of work through the breeding process mentioned earlier in my post. Even a breed like the poodle originally served a practical purpose, now its mainly used as a lapdog. Sad fate for a dog. Inb4 whine with cheese.

Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Germanicus
Its just their culture.

I dont like dogs much either. They are dumb compared to a cat. And they are dirty.

I like dogs and that is my country's culture.

Actually, you are mistaken that dogs are dumb compared to cats. Have you taught your cats any good tricks recently?

Its not that cats don't want to learn tricks. They are just not intelligent enough to understand what you are trying to do.

edit on 11-5-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Cats dont do tricks because its beneath them

They also dont chase cars or bark at lawnmowers or a million other dumb things dogs do.

You can also leave a cat for two weeks and it will feed itself.

Dogs are just dirty inbred morons at the end of the day.

Edit- I used to own a Staffie that I got for my ex-girlfriends son. He wasnt the best dog owner so the dog became mine. I loved it. I like dogs sort of but they really are dirty. And cats are smarter.

edit on 11-5-2012 by Germanicus because: (no reason given)

LMAO you should actually say what you think, then say it again, and think long and hard... then type it...

reply to post by woodwardjnr


I'd rather do that then have it poop in my house then track it all over my house.
Clean>Lazy

reply to post by Germanicus


OK cats are sun gods and all that but in reality they don't do a darn thing.
Seeing eye cats? Bomb sniffing cats? CANCER sniffing cats? family guard cats?
Nope just lazy cats who lie around all day and track feces on your furniture. Heads up you probably have toxoplasmosis by the way.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Germanicus
So you are good with Chinese eating dogs? I am.

Eat a dog in the summer and you won't feel cold in the winter, say the Chinese.

I suppose they have a right to eat a dog if it is their dog. I don't like the thought of people eating dogs though.

Originally posted by Germanicus
So it is the dog owner that you are worried about. Not the dogs. This is about the right to own a dog?

This is about my love of dogs and about the right of people to own dogs without them getting seized off of the street by religious types.

Wait,you're against banning dog ownership in Iran...but you're okay with the chinese eating dogs?

What kind of logic is that? If you loved dogs as much as you claim you'd be against both,correct?

Sounds to me you're arguing just to argue.Personally I don't care what Iran does.Not my concern.They're entitled to do whatever they want.It's up to the people of that country to stand up and change things.Not us outsiders.

Originally posted by Shred
My humble opinion is that a dog should not be simply a pet, but should always serve a purpose be it protection, hunting, helping people with disabilities, saving people and other police work. Unlike cats, dogs are basically meant for this kind of work through the breeding process mentioned earlier in my post. Even a breed like the poodle originally served a practical purpose, now its mainly used as a lapdog. Sad fate for a dog. Inb4 whine with cheese.

Finally someone who gets it. People are driving their dogs insane by suppressing their true natures. People want their dogs to act like humans and that's simply not natural.

Although humans have had close ties with dogs for a long time, dogs once served a valuable purpose and it wasn't just to entertain the humans. Working dogs are a joy to watch. They know that's what they're meant for. They aren't fooling around they're very serious workers.

I've seen people move out here with their little poodles and yorkies. They try to keep them inside/safe but the dogs have a fit to get out and roam with the working dogs. These precious little lap dogs turn into vicious hunters and sometimes pack leaders. They look terrible no more bows or grooming but the little guys will go in after a hidden pack rat and won't stop.

Dogs are happiest when they're allowed to act like dogs. You'll get behavior issues if you try to suppress their nature. If you believe dogs are completely content sitting on the couch watching TV with you day after day I'd say you both need to go outside and explore your true natures.

Originally posted by nightstalker78

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Germanicus
So you are good with Chinese eating dogs? I am.

Eat a dog in the summer and you won't feel cold in the winter, say the Chinese.

I suppose they have a right to eat a dog if it is their dog. I don't like the thought of people eating dogs though.

Originally posted by Germanicus
So it is the dog owner that you are worried about. Not the dogs. This is about the right to own a dog?

This is about my love of dogs and about the right of people to own dogs without them getting seized off of the street by religious types.

Wait,you're against banning dog ownership in Iran...but you're okay with the chinese eating dogs?

What kind of logic is that? If you loved dogs as much as you claim you'd be against both,correct?

Sounds to me you're arguing just to argue.Personally I don't care what Iran does.Not my concern.They're entitled to do whatever they want.It's up to the people of that country to stand up and change things.Not us outsiders.

you have no idea
what are you talking about
its clear that you have not read all the posts
the op has clearly stated him/herself
i think you are the one that is KNIT PICKING

Originally posted by wiser3
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

All of these domesticated animals deserve outside space that they can move freely in during the day when their owners are not at home!

How will these animals know to return home? Do they know where the entrance is? What about when they try to kill each other in the out doors? How about when they are picked up by a shelter?

Wise(r) you are not. Quick to make general statements without seeing it through.

More examples of a backward subhuman culture. The UK and Europe are gonna love their new masters.

reply to post by ollncasino


LL
congratulations

now there are no more excuses

iran must be wiped from the face of the earth
and all muslims must be exterminated

Originally posted by ollncasino
Iran's Moral Police Crack Down on Pet Dogs

Accrording to Islamic doctrine, dogs are unclean, hence Islamic leaders take a very dim view of Muslims owing dogs.

While I do not see how these owners are personally offending anyone else, it is their own country to do as they see fit.

Remember that right and wrong are just like morals and ethics. They vary as much as the different faces of all the humans on the planet. One man's right is another man's wrong or cruel.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Any animal that demands you walk it 3 times a day, while having to pick up it's poo in a little plastic bag along the way, can never gain my true affection.

Offering quality of life is demanding? How's your quality of life these days son? Enjoying the fresh air?

reply to post by Germanicus


Why do you keep calling them dirty? There's a new invention, it's called a bathtub. You're supposed to care for your pets, not let them get dirty, leave them inside for two weeks to fend for themselves because they know how to eat food you dump on the floor.

Originally posted by davesmart

Originally posted by nightstalker78

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Germanicus
So you are good with Chinese eating dogs? I am.

Eat a dog in the summer and you won't feel cold in the winter, say the Chinese.

I suppose they have a right to eat a dog if it is their dog. I don't like the thought of people eating dogs though.

Originally posted by Germanicus
So it is the dog owner that you are worried about. Not the dogs. This is about the right to own a dog?

This is about my love of dogs and about the right of people to own dogs without them getting seized off of the street by religious types.

Wait,you're against banning dog ownership in Iran...but you're okay with the chinese eating dogs?

What kind of logic is that? If you loved dogs as much as you claim you'd be against both,correct?

Sounds to me you're arguing just to argue.Personally I don't care what Iran does.Not my concern.They're entitled to do whatever they want.It's up to the people of that country to stand up and change things.Not us outsiders.

you have no idea
what are you talking about
its clear that you have not read all the posts
the op has clearly stated him/herself
i think you are the one that is KNIT PICKING

Apparently you can't read.Did you miss the quote from the op above?
Let me rephrase it for you then.

He says its their right to eat dogs,even though he's against it.(his words)
He's not okay with whats happening in Iran,and he's against that too.Also his words.

What,because it's in Iran they don't have the right to do what they want?See my point now?Does that make it clearer for you? Perhaps I should've worded my other post a bit better.See,in the States that is known as a hypocrite.

Originally posted by nightstalker78

Originally posted by davesmart

Originally posted by nightstalker78

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Germanicus
So you are good with Chinese eating dogs? I am.

Eat a dog in the summer and you won't feel cold in the winter, say the Chinese.

I suppose they have a right to eat a dog if it is their dog. I don't like the thought of people eating dogs though.

Originally posted by Germanicus
So it is the dog owner that you are worried about. Not the dogs. This is about the right to own a dog?

This is about my love of dogs and about the right of people to own dogs without them getting seized off of the street by religious types.

Wait,you're against banning dog ownership in Iran...but you're okay with the chinese eating dogs?

What kind of logic is that? If you loved dogs as much as you claim you'd be against both,correct?

Sounds to me you're arguing just to argue.Personally I don't care what Iran does.Not my concern.They're entitled to do whatever they want.It's up to the people of that country to stand up and change things.Not us outsiders.

you have no idea
what are you talking about
its clear that you have not read all the posts
the op has clearly stated him/herself
i think you are the one that is KNIT PICKING

Apparently you can't read.Did you miss the quote from the op above?
Let me rephrase it for you then.

He's not okay with eating dogs...but says it's their right,even though he's against it.(his words)
He's not okay with whats happening in Iran,and he's against that too.Also his words.

What,because it's in Iran they don't have the right to do what they want?See my point now?Does that make it clearer for you? Perhaps I should've worded my other post a bit better.See,in the States that is known as a hypocrite.

lol
all i can say is
im drunk now and will not be baited like a fish
if im wrong Many apologies
but the op has been consistent with his/her replys
maybe it was a slight misunderstanding
love you fellow human as much as i love nature
peace man..
dave