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H.R. 4133:Bad for America, Bad for Israel, Bad for the World

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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 10:23 PM
H.R. 4133: United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012

Here is the Official summery of the bill. I underline the portion I find most worrisome.

United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012 - States that it is U.S. policy to: (1) reaffirm the commitment to Israel's security as a Jewish state, (2) provide Israel with the military capabilities to defend itself and help preserve its qualitative military edge, (3) expand military and civilian cooperation, (4) assist in a negotiated settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that results in two states living side by side in peace and security, and (5) encourage Israel's neighbors to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. Expresses the sense of Congress that the United States should take specified actions to assist in Israel's defense.

This bill has already passed the House, as of May 09, 2012, that's yesterday. Let me quote Ron Paul here, since this is, after all, the Breaking Political News area.

This bill’s real intent seems to be more saber-rattling against Iran and Syria, and it undermines U.S. diplomatic efforts by making clear that the U.S. is not an honest broker seeking peace for the Middle East.
. . .
While I absolutely believe that Israel — and any other nation — should be free to determine for itself what is necessary for its national security, I do not believe that those decisions should be underwritten by U.S. taxpayers and backed up by the U.S. military.

This bill states that it is the policy of the United States to “reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.” However, according to our Constitution, the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country. In fact, our own Constitution prohibits the establishment of any particular religion in the U.S.

The full bill may be read Here
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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 10:41 PM
I would encourage a careful reading of this bill. There are many worrisome things in it.

Section 4 (a)(3) Provide Israel defense articles and defense services through such mechanisms as appropriate, to include air refueling tankers, missile defense capabilities, and specialized munitions.

Specialized munitions? What exactly could that be? Seeing how all sorts of other weapons systems are spelled out and named, what is specialized? When I was in the U.S. Air Force, Special meant Nuclear.

Section 4 (a)(7) Offer the Israeli Air Force additional training and exercise opportunities in the United States to compensate for Israel’s limited air space.

That would be bringing Israeli fighter pilots to the U.S. to train on American bombing ranges. I remember when Iranian pilots were walking around on U.S. Air Bases, I have actually saluted Iranian pilots. Weird, Huh! That was back in Shah days.

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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 10:48 PM
did the bill pass.

if it does, then the united states is bound by law to defend israel against all enemies.

posted on May, 10 2012 @ 10:58 PM
reply to post by randomname

The bill passed the House of Representatives yesterday.


Rep. Howard Berman [D-CA28]
Rep. Steny Hoyer [D-MD5]
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL18]
Rep. Gary Ackerman [D-NY5] (joined Mar 07, 2012)
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Rep. Spencer Bachus [R-AL6] (joined Mar 07, 2012)
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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 11:01 PM
The bill passed the House 411-2.

posted on May, 10 2012 @ 11:05 PM
So I guess "israel" can't defend itself?

Benjamin....u are a machine that manufactures lies with every satanic breath you take.

May God judge you appropriately.
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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 11:07 PM
hr2977 is worse...why?
Because it died
Then it was 3657---Died
Then it was 2420---died

posted on May, 10 2012 @ 11:09 PM
How come is it bad for israel?

You kidding? They just got the unconditional support from the us, they get to have american kids dying for them, american assets destroyed for them, american families broken for them, while they ride the "victory wave" at the expense of american blood?

Are you crazy? You know... let me make one thing clear. Bad for Israel and Bad for US cant exist at the same time. Pretty much all I know that is bad for israel, is good for the US... what is good for israel, is bad for the US. I really dont understand - and that applies to the world too - if something is good for the world, is bad for israel... if its bad to the world, then its good for israel... why is it so hard to understand?

Israel just got the US as a lapdog that will have to bleed for them, they wont even need to lose ONE SINGLE MAN, since well.. the us army, navy, airforce, and any asset... WOW

What happened to you US... did your balls drop off or something?

posted on May, 10 2012 @ 11:11 PM

Section 4(a)
(10) Encourage an expanded role for Israel within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including an enhanced presence at NATO headquarters and exercises.

(12) Expand already-close intelligence cooperation, including satellite intelligence, with Israel.

Israel is not a NATO member. But the U.S. Congress wants Israel to have an enhanced presence at headquarters and exercises. What is that? Member in all but name?

And expand Israel's access to U.S. satellite intel.

Section 4 (c) (2) Efforts to expand cooperation between the United States and Israel in homeland security, counter-terrorism, maritime security, energy, cybersecurity, and other appropriate areas.

Does that look like handing US Homeland Security, including domestic spying on citizens over to Israel?

Is the U.S. already an occupied country by a superior super power?

posted on May, 10 2012 @ 11:25 PM
I hope thats a rethorical question...

posted on May, 10 2012 @ 11:30 PM
This would set the stage for a continual war in the middle east. Oh goody.

posted on May, 10 2012 @ 11:31 PM
reply to post by Outofcontrol

I hope thats a rethorical question...

Seeing how the congresspersons who did not vote yes on the AIPAC sponsored bill, due to J Street (the other Israel lobby) permission to vote no. depends on what "rhetorical" means.

Nine members of Congress aligned with the far-left group J Street either abstained or voted against a House bill that would reinforce the U.S.’s commitment to the State of Israel.

The United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012 soared through the House on a vote of 411-2. That was without the help of 10 J Street stalwarts, one who voted against the bill and nine who originally voted “present.”

The bi-partisan bill, which was sponsored by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee,

Rep. John Dingell (D.,Mich.), a J Street 2012 endorsee, voted against the bill.

Those who voted present include: Reps. Lynn Woolsey (D., Calif.), Barbara Lee (D., Calif.), Pete Stark (D., Calif.), Andre Carson (D., Ind.), Donna Edwards (D., Md.), Betty McCollum (D., Minn.), Keith Ellison (D., Minn.), Walter Jones (R-N.C.), and Earl Blumenauer (D- Ore.). All have either been endorsed by J Street or have publicly been affiliated with the “pro-Israel, pro-peace” lobbying group.

Two other J Street supporters, Reps. Bob Filner (D., Calif.) and Rep. Anna Eshoo (D., Calif.), initially did not vote in favor of the pro-Israel bill but later amended their votes to express support.

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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 11:32 PM
Israel, some friends.
Remember the USS Liberty!

posted on May, 10 2012 @ 11:43 PM
The elite just keep stoking the fire don't they?

posted on May, 11 2012 @ 12:14 AM
Here's a little something about Israel-Nato relations:

Israel is a member of the NATO set up Mediterranean Dialogue, created in 1994, kind of a non-member partner.

Global Research, January 17, 2010
By the following year the level of collaboration between the world’s sole military bloc and Israel had increased further. A column appeared at an Israeli news site on February 1 called “Is Israel headed for NATO?” authored by Uzi Arad. Arad established the Atlantic Forum of Israel in 2004 and still chairs the organization. The Atlantic Forum is the main vehicle for promoting NATO-Israel integration on the Israeli side. It’s website, currently under construction, features a Star of David side-by-side with the NATO symbol. [15]

Uzi Arad has an interesting biography, both before and after the founding of the Atlantic Forum. He was the Foreign Policy Advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu from 1997-1999 “on secondment from the Mossad, in which he served for more than two decades, culminating in his tenure as Director of Research (Intelligence).” [16] He has also been Advisor to the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.

Complications developed last year when was “designated to become chairman of the National Security Council under Netanyahu,” but “The press in Washington…reported that Arad had been refused permission to enter the country” [17] because of “his alleged contacts with Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin, who has been convicted of passing information to Israel.” [18] By the end of last March the Obama administration nevertheless approved his visa application for discussions in Washington on Iran.

So being involved in receiving illegally acquired U.S. information isn't a good enough reason to keep an Israeli out of the U.S. if he is also the point man for Israel-NATO relations. Sweeeeet

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posted on May, 14 2012 @ 01:30 AM
reply to post by pthena

Israel decides if they wish to be a Jewish state or not. Should we tell Palestine they can't be a muslin state? Or Syria, or Iran, or SA? Israel chooses, and we back their decision, as we should. This is one reason I would never vote for Ron Paul. We are not trying to spead Judaism, we are affirming the right of Israel to choose what they wish to be.

posted on May, 14 2012 @ 12:09 PM
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

Israel decides if they wish to be a Jewish state or not.

Long before 1948, certain ideologies arose, that through the power of finance and political lobbying, infiltrated the halls of Western power, and dictated that the mythical "people without a country" should become a "nation without borders".

And so we have Jewish nationalists in every country of the World, whose allegiance isn't first to the country they, their fathers, grandfathers, and greatgrandfathers were born in. No, their allegiance is first for some country that calls them natural born members, regardless of where on earth they are born.

All this, while actual natural born people to the land are marginalized, and pushed out, with no recourse to "right of return." No, "right of return" is reserved by the infiltrated power centers of the World for the mythic rather than the real.

I don't support that system. I don't appreciate my taxes supporting that system. H.R. 4133 is not my idea of "some kind of wonderful", quite the opposite.

posted on May, 14 2012 @ 12:15 PM
The Masters of the US always had them on a leash, now they just put on the Muzzle.

"and the land of the free"
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posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 08:27 PM
Ron Paul voted no to this bill as he said it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Looks like the other 411 who passed this bill just committed illegal acts and should be tried with treason!

The USA is now Israels little b*tch to do with as it pleases! Welcome to the NWO! War any time now!

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