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Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
At the end of any statement of creation could be added the phrase "thus hath God decreed," but this still proves nothing, except to those who believe in God. Scientifically speaking, no matter how likely creation may seem to anyone, it cannot be proven as of now, from a logical point of view. That is to say, one cannot bring forth premises A, B, and C that will logically lead to the conclusion D, that God created everything. I know what you mean though about coincidences, and the sheer magnificence and design-like qualities life on Earth possesses. It does make one think there was a creator.
if you by accident - step on an ant, those ants must think you are at war with them(yes I know ants don't think).
But how the hell could an ant read a humans mind enough to comfortably project its own ideas as if it were the ideas of a human?
But how the hell could an ant read a humans mind enough to comfortably project its own ideas as if it were the ideas of a human?
You cannot, as a small child, fathom the thought processes of yourself as an adult, or any other adult for that matter.
But when the divine gift of reason begins to expand itself in the mind and calls man to reflection, he then reads and contemplates God and His works, and not in the books pretending to be revelation. The creation is the Bible of the true believer in God. Everything in this vast volume inspires him with sublime ideas of the Creator. The little and paltry, and often obscene, tales of the Bible sink into wretchedness when put in comparison with this mighty work.
The Deist needs none of those tricks and shows called miracles to confirm his faith, for what can be a greater miracle than the creation itself, and his own existence? www.fordham.edu...
The nations who never heard of such books, nor of such people as Jews, Christians, or Mahometans, believe the existence of a God as fully as we do, because it is self-evident. The work of man's hands is a proof of the existence of man as fully as his personal appearance would be.
When we see a watch, we have as positive evidence of the existence of a watchmaker, as if we saw him; and in like manner the creation is evidence to our reason and our senses of the existence of a Creator.
If ants COULD THINK, then they might have a reason to think that we are at war with them,
Ants aren't sentient conscious beings capable of abstract thought.
Or are we so low that God thinks of us as ants?
But you can, as a child, have knowledge that your parent exists so the analogy really doesn't work for God.
That's why if there's a God it seems more likely to be a deistic one, one who doesn't intervene, who sets the Universe up like a set of dominoes and then sits back to watch them fall.
In deism it makes sense that there's no evidence for God, in most versions of monotheism God performs miracles, sends disasters, and goes around leaving evidence of himself everywhere.
Originally posted by jiggerj
I don't know about any of you, but for me this is WAY WAY WAY too many lucky things to happen to be purely random events. I don't want to believe it, but jeez, there had to be some kind of intelligent and deliberate force behind all of it.
What do you think?
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it places human beings as somehow special
Originally posted by TheProphetMark
Can you prove God exist? No you can't.
You're going to quote scriptures now?
39) And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
The Bible isn't proof, because it was written by men.
You're taking it out on blind faith out of fear of going to "hell" and that was the whole purpose of the Bible or any other religious book in the first place, to control the population.
If God was real, he would show it to his true believers and yet they continue to use the Bible as proof, therefore God cannot exist.
1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
I believe in the idea of God, maybe with 10% certainly. Those who blindly follow the Bible or any other religion for that matter are gulliable fools who are full of fear. God would not want you to fear him, would you want your own child to fear you? I don't think so.
I think the O.P. already did, you just don't want to open your eyes. Living in blind denial is part of your free will.
Absolutely. John 9:39
39) And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
No, we take it on blind faith because the Holy Spirit has spoken to us and we have been witnesses to many miracles and blessings that have been bestowed upon us and others.
Originally posted by jiggerj
I don't know about any of you, but for me this is WAY WAY WAY too many lucky things to happen to be purely random events. I don't want to believe it, but jeez, there had to be some kind of intelligent and deliberate force behind all of it.
What do you think?
But I do not concur with the idea that human beings have dominion Randy, and what if the chimps don't either
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by jiggerj
I would completely agree. I've said many times that atheism, in a sense, is a religion. I say that because it seems to me that it takes an awful lot of FAITH to believe that everything just "accidently" happened the way that it did.edit on 11-5-2012 by SpeakerofTruth because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by TheProphetMark
If that were the case,and I'm not saying that it is, I'd ask why earth. Why did earth "accidently" have the correct components for life? That would even deepen the mystery, really.edit on 11-5-2012 by SpeakerofTruth because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TheProphetMark
Questioning the unanswerable will only lead to insanity
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Why did earth "accidently" have the correct components for life?