Was the government a co-conspirator?

Originally posted by earthinhabitant
Sounds like you got your hands dirty in something, care to share, or you just covering for you bosses, and taking the paycheck like the other chumps who are dirty?

Could be wrong, however defending the culprits only suggest to me, that you are possibly involved
to some extent.

As yes, the "armies of sinister secret agents plotting to take over the world" bit again. What a surprise I'd see that yet again. Tell me, if you genuinely think I'm a secret agent plotting to take over the world, then why aren't you the least bit apprehensive about posting your conspiracy claims here? Aren't you afraid I'll report you to my sinister secret agent bosses and they'll send Mr. Spook with his silenced pistol for a visit? After all, Chinese dissidents always go out of their way to hide their identities so that the communist gov't can't trace it back to them and make them disappear off the face of the Earth. To this day, nobody knows what happened to that guy who stood in front of those tanks in Tianenmen square.

Or is it the case that even you know this is just silly abject paranoia and the worst that'll happen is that your girlfriend will complain you're spending too much time on the computer?

Can explain to us how the buildings fell like that, without it being some scam sham show..

Sure. It fell because of gravity.

Originally posted by maxella1

Originally posted by earthinhabitant

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by earthinhabitant

 

totally, if I ran into one of those murderers ever, it would be my duty to make sure, they pay for their acts and crimes and I am talking about all you chumps who had a part in it....those they follow orders for pay, you should pay too.

Thus, the main reason why all this wallowing in conspiracy nonsense is not only counterproductive, but dangerous as hell. It's stirring up so much abject paranoia and persecution complexes that it's getting the people who can't tell the difference between what's real and what's imaginary to start considering lashing out at their perceived tormentors...who in non-crackpot world always turns out to be some completely innocent person that had nothing to do with anything.

Granted, this individual guy making this post is almost certainly just some loudmouth kid spewing on the internet because he knows he can remain anonymous, and in the real world his zeal to strike back at the "chumps who deserves to pay for their crimes" would evaporate the moment his targets pull out a 12 gauge to defend themselves...but if there are people out there who genuinely believe there are secret meanings in a J.D. Salinger book telling them to gun down John Lennon, then there's certainly people out there who'll hunt down and murder the Jersey girls because "they're secret agents pretending to have husbands on those hologram planes Alex Jones warned him about".

Far fetched, you say? Do you remember THIS guy?

9/11 Conspiracy theorist attacks Pentagon security personnel

edit on 11-5-2012 by GoodOlDave because: (no reason given)

Sounds like you got your hands dirty in something, care to share, or you just covering for you bosses, and taking the paycheck like the other chumps who are dirty?

Could be wrong, however defending the culprits only suggest to me, that you are possibly involved
to some extent.

Can explain to us how the buildings fell like that, without it being some scam sham show..

Maybe you got your 12 gauge and think that is going to protect you from what is to come and if you are dirty, as it seems you may be, maybe you are right and will need it.

However if you did not do anything to be ashamed of and not guilty, why you need to break out the gun, unless you know you need it to hide behind for your protection and that is fine, if you really think that is going to help you...

So, take it you are someone who has been profiting and taking a paycheck. is safe to say, from those implicated in the terrorist action and treason...you getting pension yet, or not old enough?

lol
What are you talking about ?

9/11 and not the Bin Laden Assassination extraction, as that is off topic in my opinion...

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by earthinhabitant
Sounds like you got your hands dirty in something, care to share, or you just covering for you bosses, and taking the paycheck like the other chumps who are dirty?

Could be wrong, however defending the culprits only suggest to me, that you are possibly involved
to some extent.

As yes, the "armies of sinister secret agents plotting to take over the world" bit again. What a surprise I'd see that yet again. Tell me, if you genuinely think I'm a secret agent plotting to take over the world, then why aren't you the least bit apprehensive about posting your conspiracy claims here? Aren't you afraid I'll report you to my sinister secret agent bosses and they'll send Mr. Spook with his silenced pistol for a visit? After all, Chinese dissidents always go out of their way to hide their identities so that the communist gov't can't trace it back to them and make them disappear off the face of the Earth. To this day, nobody knows what happened to that guy who stood in front of those tanks in Tianenmen square.

Or is it the case that even you know this is just silly abject paranoia and the worst that'll happen is that your girlfriend will complain you're spending too much time on the computer?

Can explain to us how the buildings fell like that, without it being some scam sham show..

Sure. It fell because of gravity.

Show us any evidence of gravity happening like that, ever?

Maybe your girlfriend tells you how and what to do, and is your boss, or maybe your boss and employer is implicated here and you here on behalf of them...and if I was afraid of anything, it would be people who are full of crap so much and try to whitewash and spin the events of 9/11 to one, same as " gulf of tonkin" was done to do pretty much the same, as dirty, lying, killing cheating and stealing and dealing, is the mode of operation, that I am talking about and could that include you?...starting to sound like it, if you are suggesting gravity is what took those buildings down, as it is better than suggesting planes and in part, true, however they don't fall straight down like that and never have, unless...demolition, as gravity is relative and so are the planes, however not even plausible to show that is how and why they fell at the rate and in their own footprint...impossible..

off topic: What happened to the "Tank Man" following the demonstration is not known. Some say he was pulled away and went into hiding, others say he was executed by the authorities.[100] Time Magazine dubbed him The Unknown Rebel and later named him one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century. In an interview with U.S. media, then Chinese President Jiang Zemin said he did not think the man was killed.[157]

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by GoodOlDave

This is neither here nor there. The original point was that we know quite a lot of what Sibel Edmonds knows despite her being "the most gagged person in US history" and yet we don't even know how many guys are in the supposedly lesser gagged Seal Team Six or whether that's just the military's version of saying "Boogeyman". So the question is, what points to being a genuine secret and what points to simply being hyped up as a secret to give her more publicity?

I’m planning on reading her book sometime soon. I also think that she is far from being the most gagged person in America.

But you got to admit that when you look at all of the information that came out since 9/11 it becomes very hard to believe the official explanation of what happened.

Then also look at some of the so called debunkers here like for example this guy...

I gave him a detailed explanation of why I don't believe the OS and asked him to correct me where I’m wrong, but instead this is what he replies with.

For me the reason I believe the official story of 9/11 is because of how much knowledge I have of violent Islamic extremism. When a 9/11 conspiracy theorist looks at 9/11 he or she is looking at only a small part of what is a much bigger topic. My reason for believing in the official story is because it fits in with the history of violent Islamic extremism, this history I have learned form my years of reading and studying. I cannot explain this to you all in one post, one thread, or even in one book. I can direct you to sources but they are not online they are all books. I do think there are some unanswered questions of what happened that day but on the balance of the evidence I have to conclude that the official story is the most accurate.

Not one attempt to disprove anything I said. Just “I believe the official story of 9/11 because of how much knowledge I have of violent Islamic extremism.”

The OS is just as unbelievable as the space lasers. There is a lot of incompetence in government and at the same time there are a lot of very smart people in there also. I don’t believe for a second that they wouldn’t be able to hold a secret, it's just not true. They keep secrets for long periods of time, and years later the truth comes out one way or another.

I recently asked one of the people here if he or she thinks that at some point in the future somebody would confess of shooting down United 93, like Robert McNamara did regarding The Gulf of Tonkin, and the answers I got was

Do I think so? No. A sane person will look at the evidence and realize what happened. Of all the 9/11 CT's, Flight 93 is the easiest to debunk.

Implying that I’m insane for even thinking about it. Another character here said that the difference between me and him or her is that he or she tells the truth, like I’m lying about something. And I can go on and on with examples like that.

So you tell me Dave how will the truth ever come out? Who’s telling the truth?

And why are people acting like that on these types of forums?

Just have to look at the buildings fallen and know it was not the planes alone and then the coverup only points to one culprit organization with ties, behind it, that being Bush and company, as no Bush is not the mastermind, as that was a group planned and thought out action that took years to plan out and execute it, all the Muslims in the world could not have pulled that off by themselves,. unless they controlled the media mainstream and US and there are only a few people and countries that has that clout and power...and most importantly, motives.

reply to post by maxella1


Know you were addressing Dave, however I'd like to answer this, as suggested before, a few ways that might help, one being, for example:

Take Bush or any of those we know are suspects, and torture them like they condone...for the confessions and extract the information from them, on who all was the accomplices and video tape it.

Would say a military(s) group would be best suited for this, as really not sure I would trust some of the General's if they did not support this operation, however that comes as no surprise as, don't trust them anyways to tell the truth and do the right thing, in a situation this, as they go along with and get their pension is planned and maybe a future in politics or some agency, so cowardly spineless superiors who got their job, cause they don't mind lying and going along with unjust actions...more or less in brief.

Secret Service Agents would be good candidates and in positions to remedy the situation, as for sure would take Generals who are not corrupted and dirty douche bags who only want their paychecks and pension and not rock the boat and shake out the bad apples...as it calls for...that and then hold accountable everyone that is and was involved, to the highest extent of the law, be it the death penalty or life in prison and take all their ill gotten gains, and this includes defense contractors, etc., as they seem to be dirty to some extent and accountable, and taking their money would be a start there... and no more contracts ever...

Clean up the government and get rid of the hoodlums and let them be an example to everyone, who aspires to be a politician, soldier or other, that honor and loyalty and justice is the rule of the land now and warning potential future leaders, that the people and humanity does not support, lying, cheating, killing, stealing and dealing, etc., and that anyone, who is caught doing so, will pay for it...

Not like it is now, with a clean get away and future heist of rights and liberties, to be expected, until those who are in the positions, that can do something, do, do what is best for the US and the world, otherwise everyone just look at US as a lost cause, cause everyone allows it to continue and no one has a spine to stand up anymore, or if they do, they choose not to or in this situation, may not be in the position that would be conducive for the operation to succeed...

One confession and leak, would be here and have all the shills saying they are lying, however a nice video taped confession from Bush or some of the others, who spill the beans and blow the lid off of it and then would see lot of the others scrambling to hide, as they know we are coming for them too and there is no where to hide and that their gig is up...

Sounds like a good movie, true, however this is not that far out there, and could put an end to lot of the corruption for years to come and the troops could have honor and dignity restored and the US could become a super power and model for all the world...

reply to post by earthinhabitant


Lol

Jack Bauer 2012 !

reply to post by maxella1


The trail leads to one place and it was not Bin Laden, and sooner everyone knows the real deal the better and stop all this hokey pokey nonsense...as we know it was Bush and Co for starters and sure they had help, as the Saudis been partners with the Bushes long time now and partners in crime, and they are not the only ones...who are party to the deception, destruction and profiting...

Did Dave's mother call him to dinner or did he have to go to bed, as miss his entertaining comments about what he is claiming could be the situation, as I like it when my girlfriend gets upset about me having a good time on ATS...and hope did not get Dave in trouble or anything and he was told to get off the computer...

I'll be taking a smoke break and dinner break, and thinking of gathering some intelligence data from youtube for presentation, as seems like the overwhelmingly information points to Bush and company organization, as they are lower echelon puppet operatives for the ones who actually masterminded it and promoted it, maybe we can get Henry Kissinger to elaborate on things, as he be good suspect to look into for lot of things and can make a list of names up here and go over each one, as where is the vote option, as be nice to have a nice multiple choice polling survey on who ATS thinks did it, and my bet is only those saying Bin Laden or some other far fetched option, either be just plain ole uninformed or just plain ole shills with a check coming in each month from you know who..or they have been owned by the mind control brainwashing propaganda and media campaign and believe anything the government tells them.

*yawns* Dave and twosidedcoin you all here? Like to keep up the dialogue and conversation, still looking for some proof the government and media is and was telling the truth and explanation that is believable and possible theoretically on how the buildings fell, if not a controlled demolition...good day!

reply to post by earthinhabitant


I have already explained my view on this matter on this thread all be it to another member please read my posts, I make it very clear why I take this view. If you have any specific questions please feel free to ask.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


thanks, I do have one and have asked it several times, on explanation on how the buildings fell that is logical?

reply to post by earthinhabitant


For me personally I do not comment on anything I don’t fully understand, I cannot say one way or the other if it is indeed possible for buildings to fall that way. I am fortunate that I have access to a number of people who I have been able to talk to about 9/11 however who are educated in various fields that give them a certain expertise on some of the issues. For example I have a friend who is a pilot I asked him once if it was possible for them to have flown the planes his answer was yes. I have another friend who is a mechanical engineer to trade and a another who is an aeronautical engineer both do not believe any 9/11 conspiracies. It is one of the issues I have with the truthers they pretend to be a jack of all trades and master of all trades, they have to pretend to be expert structural and aeronautical engineers, pilots, security specialists, explosive specialists, physicist, journalists, investigators, academics, historians and the list goes on. I personally do not have the expertise to comment accurately on how the buildings fell, what I do have the expertise to comment on is the nature and history of terrorism.

Therefore cannot discuss with you matters of physics and engineering that would give me the ability explain to you why the buildings fell the way they did all. For me the reason I do not believe in 9/11 conspiracies is because as I have already said on this thread that my knowledge of violent Islamic extremism means that I cannot accept the existence of “al-CIAdu” yet understand the existence of a origination such as “Al-Qa’ida” to be a historical inevitability.

I know that does not answer your questions and I apologise for that but I have done my best to explain to you why I cannot answer you for the truth is I cannot provide you with an answer. That however does not mean that 9/11 was an inside job or that you or I should change our opposing views on what happened that day.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


sounds like you should stay out of this forum, if you are not considered the laws of nature and logic, to be considered applicable and choose to only look at things your friends tell you that really, of no consequence and irrelevant for the most part and more of the try to discrediting the theorist who have more evidence of facts based on the laws of physics and while probability is mute point, the events manner of unfolding as they did, post, prior and during, all clearly suggest that certain people, media and government were the operators and participants, some knowing and some not, representing an agenda, that only those who choose not to consider the facts and logical evidence of the situation, and rather not go into discovery for whatever reason, be it, they do not want to know, or in denial and anything that is contrary to personal beliefs, etc., is discredited as conspiracy theory, no matter what all the facts of the matter suggest, deserves very less respect and credentials than someone that can look at the big picture and admit, that"yes", there is a big problem with the story fed the people, as it really is theoretically and logically for buildings to fall like they did, is not only impossible, without being a controlled demolition...and to think a plane could cause that damage to 2 buildings is insane to fathom and then to building 7 was not plane, so joker on ATS radio now, playing saying it was planes, only suggest that sounds like another stooge who is in on it too.

reply to post by earthinhabitant


I have explained to you my reasons for believing what I believe; I accept and respect your differing opinion. I am not going to pretend to be an “expert” in matters of structural engineering and provide an explanation on why the buildings fell the way they should when I am not qualified to do so. I have had others provide me with an explanation however I cannot recall the details and I refuse to pretend to be “all knowing” about all matters relating to 9/11 as the truthers do.

For me the big reason for not believing in 9/11 conspiracies are because they deny the existence of violent Islamic extremism and the terrorist network of Al-Qa’ida something I have detailed knowledge of.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by earthinhabitant

 

I have explained to you my reasons for believing what I believe; I accept and respect your differing opinion. I am not going to pretend to be an “expert” in matters of structural engineering and provide an explanation on why the buildings fell the way they should when I am not qualified to do so. I have had others provide me with an explanation however I cannot recall the details and I refuse to pretend to be “all knowing” about all matters relating to 9/11 as the truthers do.

For me the big reason for not believing in 9/11 conspiracies are because they deny the existence of violent Islamic extremism and the terrorist network of Al-Qa’ida something I have detailed knowledge of.

Sounds like you may be in denial and don't want to know the truth, as no one here is hopefully, not saying that there is no such thing, as violent Islamic extremism and if they are, then sure we could show they are wrong, or if we are wrong, show how...

No matter how extreme these radical Islamic extremist are or aspire to be, no way buildings can fall like that and no need to be an expert to understand the physics and nature to show that it is theoretically impossible, so long as you are not disagreeing or denying it, then no problem, however if you are not admitting it, or refuse to do the research, that is...with all due respect, as no offense, I would love to help you and anyone who does not understand this important principle and law.

reply to post by earthinhabitant


Again as I have said before in this thread in the past I did believe that 9/11 was an inside job however once I became educated in the history of terrorism this view changed and I now believe the official story. So to say I am in denial is way of the mark and you are in no position to accuse me of being in denial.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by earthinhabitant

 

I have explained to you my reasons for believing what I believe; I accept and respect your differing opinion. I am not going to pretend to be an “expert” in matters of structural engineering and provide an explanation on why the buildings fell the way they should when I am not qualified to do so. I have had others provide me with an explanation however I cannot recall the details and I refuse to pretend to be “all knowing” about all matters relating to 9/11 as the truthers do.

For me the big reason for not believing in 9/11 conspiracies are because they deny the existence of violent Islamic extremism and the terrorist network of Al-Qa’ida something I have detailed knowledge of.

You have explained nothing. You make statements that are not true. "truthers" do not deny the existence of violent Islamic extremism and the terrorist network of Al-Qaida. You on the other hand deny facts of a cover up. I am a truther and i agree to disagree with you, but I do not respect your opinion because its based on nothing.