Originally posted by TrickoftheShade There's no direct evidence of US govt involvement in 9/11, and even the ties with Saudi look looser as soon as you look into them.
The ties look looser? The documents are redacted/classified and the public has not seen them. May I ask how you managed to come to this conclusion without seeing these documents? No hostility, just tired of people bashing each other over quality of evidence on both sides of the fence.
Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by homervb
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade There's no direct evidence of US govt involvement in 9/11, and even the ties with Saudi look looser as soon as you look into them.
The ties look looser? The documents are redacted/classified and the public has not seen them. May I ask how you managed to come to this conclusion without seeing these documents? No hostility, just tired of people bashing each other over quality of evidence on both sides of the fence.
You can ask but don't expect an answer. Lol.
Originally posted by earthinhabitant
reply to post by TrickoftheShade
Plausible denial and suppression and obstruction of justice and few other technicalities just make it impossible to tell who really all is involved, sounds like typically used mode of operation, have seen time and time again, previously, with lying and deception being acceptable excuse and reason to just drop it and forget all about it...does not matter, will not ever matter, so stop trying to figure it out, you can't and no matter if you did figure it out, it still does not matter,. just drink the kool aid and shut up...seems to be your argument...
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This documentary, produced by Massimo Mazzucco, provides the missing link for the truth about 9/11. The missing link is MOTIVE. If you cannot imagine why anyone in government would want to cover up essential evidence, then wonder no more. A terrorist attack was exactly what the members of PNAC hoped for to justify a massive military incursion into the Middle East, all of which was planned long before 9/11.
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This film is astonishing. Using archival footage, it goes in detail through the untold history of The Project for the New American Century and connects it right into the present, exposing how every major war in US history was based on a complete fraud (with video of insiders themselves admitting it).
For instance, The New American Century demonstates how the first film theaters in the US were used over a hundred years ago to broadcast propaganda to rile the American people into the Spanish-American War.
It also shows the white papers of the oil company Unocal which called for the creation of a pipeline through Afghanistan and how their exact needs were fulfilled through the US invasion of Afghanistan, and how Halliburton under their "cost plus" exclusive contract with the US Government went on a mad dash spending spree akin to something out of the movie Brewster's Millions, yet instead of blowing $30 million they blew through BILLIONS by literally burning millions of dollars worth of hundred thousand dollar cars and trucks if they had so much as a flat tyre.
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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
But actual solid evidence of US government involvement in 9/11 does not exist.
The Pentagon has acknowledged that at least five members of Able Danger have said they recall a chart produced in 2000 that identified Mr. Atta, who became the lead hijacker in the Sept. 11 plot, as a potential terrorist, but they have said that others with knowledge of the project do not remember that.
Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democrat of Delaware, accused the Pentagon of "a cover-up" and said, "I don't get why people aren't coming forward and saying, 'Here's the deal, here's what happened.' "
But Mr. Kleinsmith told the committee that he had been "forced to destroy all the data, charts and other analytical product" in compliance with Army regulations that prohibit keeping data related to American citizens and others, including permanent residents who have legal protections, unless the data falls under one of several restrictive categories.
We found that large quantities of data that had been collected at two locations as part of the Able Danger data mining mission were destroyed. One intelligence analyst told us that he destroyed approximately "2.5 terabytes" of Able Danger data that had been collected at the Land Information Warfare Activity (LIWA), Fort Belvoir, V A, where Able Danger activities were initially located. Additionally, an Able Danger analyst testified that a large quantity of "extraneous" data was destroyed when the Able Danger team departed its second location -- a contractor facility in Garland, Texas -- and returned to USSOCOM. We found no basis to conclude that either of those destructions was improper, but rather followed established procedure and violated no regulation.
Information provided to the commission investigating the U.S. government's response to terrorist threats prior to September 11, 2001, names an FAA quality manager in the destruction of an audiotape made in the aftermath of the 9/11 hijackings. Each of at least six air traffic controllers and some ten other employees who were on the job at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) in Ronkonkoma, N.Y., during the World Trade Center attacks gathered several hours after to recall their version of events. But that tape, which could have helped determine how the agency responded to clues that four planes had been hijacked, was destroyed before it was ever heard. In fact, officials at the ARTCC were never even told of the tape's existence. According to the report given to the 9/11 Commission by Department of Transportation Inspector General Kenneth Mead, the audiotape was crushed in the hand of the unnamed FAA employee, then cut into small pieces and tossed into different trash cans around the ARTCC building. Despite the fact that the quality assurance officer had been told to retain all records pertaining to 9/11, he told inspector general investigators he destroyed the tape because he felt making it was contrary to FAA policy, which calls for written statements. He is also quoted to have said the controllers "were not in the correct frame of mind to have properly consented to the taping" because of the stress of the day, and told investigators that faced with a similar situation, he would repeat his actions.
Berger's archives visit occurred as he was reviewing materials as a designated representative of the Clinton administration to the national commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was sentenced Thursday to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them. Berger must perform 100 hours of community service and pay the fine as well as $6,905 for the administrative costs of his two-year probation, a district court judge ruled.
Oops, wrong again. In fact, ironically but unsurprisingly, you're the one who has failed to answer my arguments.
If it was 15 Iranians, it would be Iran attacks the US If it was 15 Syrians, it would be Syria attacks the US If it was 15 North Koreans, it would be North Korea attacks the US But it was 15 Saudis, so it was "all arabs attack the US"
