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The Rewriting of History by the True communists.

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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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Many of you are not going to want to believe this despite the facts that I will present, but this is a warning and a piece of advice to those who have been lured by the socialist/communist empty promises.

This rewriting of history has been tried in the past but it has been more successful of late because those in power around the world want more power, and they can acquire it when they claim "it is for the good of the collective/everyone, as well as for the Earth"

There used to be a clear, and defined difference between socialism and communism. Meanwhile in "socialism the state is in control of the means of production", in "communism it is claimed that the workers will be in control of the means of production". But this never happens because power corrupts, and when a group of people have ALL power, they never relinquish it for any reason and will even claim they are doing it "for the good of the collective, the good of the revolution, and the good of Earth."

An example I will give of a similar rewriting of history was what happened to Cuba, the country where I was born, and where I experienced socialism/communism.

fidel castro had lured socialists, and other leftwingers, with the claim that he was going to institute only socialism in Cuba. He never said he was a full-fledged communist, and only a few within his inner circle knew the truth.

When people, and even socialist revolutionaries who were not communists began to see and realize that castro was in fact implementing communism in Cuba, many of them turned their weapons against castro, but since he had acquired most of the power alongside his inner circle, and the populace did not own any firearms anymore there wasn't much the non-communists could do. Some of those who were socialists but not communists and had fought with castro were inprisoned, some were murdered, and some were never heard of again.

These socialists who were not true communists is what communists call "useful idiots". Which is an old phrase used by the true communists to define all other leftwingers who have been brainwashed into embracing socialism/communism.

Watch the following video from a former Russian communist who has been trying to inform alongside other former socialist/communists, Americans and the people of the world for more than 20 years about what the global elite are trying to implement and use once again this time to implement a global socialist dictatorship...



At the beginning castro even announced on the radio and on television that he was implementing socialism, and after he had all the power, and only then did he and his inner circle finally confessed to have implemented "marxism-leninism" in Cuba.


April 16 1961 For the first time, Prime Minister Castro defines the Cuban revolution as socialist: " ... we have made a revolution, a socialist revolution, right here under the very nose of the United States."

www.pbs.org...


Following a year of severely strained relations between the United States and Cuba, Cuban leader Fidel Castro openly declares that he is a Marxist-Leninist. The announcement sealed the bitter Cold War animosity between the two nations.
...

www.history.com...

What many of you do not know is this fact that once the socialists who were not communists and didn't want communism in Cuba actually FOUGHT against castro in the same Sierra Maestra where not long ago castro, his inner circle and other socialists had fought together against the forces of Batista.

People like me know this fact of history because we had family who were part of the revolution, such as one of my uncles who at first fought with castro and then fought against him because he was a socialist and didn't want communism in Cuba alongside many other socialist revolutionaries.

Other members of my family, such as my grand-father, were wiser and decided not to get involved. These people had to relinquish their weapons to the marxist-leninist dictatorship so that they could not be used to overthrow the socialist/communist regime. This is what happens in all socialist dictatorship, just so the people can't fight against the dictatorship the ownership of firearms is abolished, and in fact you don't own anything at all, not even if you build it with your own two hands.

Anyway, now we have a conglomerate of radical leftwingers, aka true communists and opportunists/corporate moguls who have banded together and for a long time have wanted to hold all power and control everything. this is done in three ways.

First, you rewrite history to lure the unsuspecting people to the cause of the global elite.

Second, you fill people with empty promises of "all workers will own everything, and this will be good for the good of the revolution, the good of the collective and even the good of the Earth"

Third, you consolidate all power by using these same empty promises that "it will be good for the collective, the revolution and the Earth."

All these things have been tried before and are being tried right now on you. On your illusion that through socialism/communism "the workers will control the means of production, and no one will be in power", but this never really happens.

The rewriting of history is going on even to this day just to lure in people to the global elite's cause, and it is their cause not yours.

Not too long ago EVERYONE knew the differerence between socialism and communism, and even encyclopedias and dictionaries stated this fact, such as:


Definition of SOCIALISM

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.

www.merriam-webster.com...

The first definition deals with ALL branches of socialism. Do note that it says "ANY of VARIOUS economic and political ideologies..." Meanwhile the second definition describes what socialism in itself is really all about, "the means of production controlled and owned by the state"

But you will find PLENTY of new, and even old encyclopedias and dictionaries in which history has been rewriten, and where the difference between socialism and communism vanishes because it is what the global elite want you to beleive.

You will even get the same old members who will claim to their deaths "socialism is controlled and owned by the workers" but this is not true. Even they have been brainwashed into forgetting or not knowing the truth with empty promises.

What I am telling you in this thread is only but a portion of the truth. It depends on you whether you will fall, like many others in the past, for the empty promises of the global elite who only want to consolidate all power and to control everything, and everyone.

Unfortunately many people will beleive the claim of the global elite that "it is for the good of the collective, the good of the revolution, and the good of the Earth".

Are you one of those people who will fall for these same old empty promises?


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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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hi op

i do hear what you are saying...but
socialism in the uk can work
as you said castro was really a commie
heres what the socialist alternative party say here in coventry


The Socialist Party fights for socialism – a democratic society run for the needs of all and not the profits of a few. We also oppose every cut, fighting in our day-to-day campaigning for every possible improvement for working class people.
The organised working class has the potential power to stop the cuts and transform society.
As capitalism dominates the globe, the struggle for genuine socialism must be international.
The Socialist Party is part of the Committee for a Workers' International (CWI), a socialist international that organises in over 40 countries.
Our demands include:
Public services
N30: millions of public sector workers went on strike on 30 November 2011, photo Senan

N30: millions of public sector workers went on strike on 30 November 2011, photo Senan

No to ALL cuts in jobs, public services and benefits. Defend our pensions.
No to privatisation and the Private Finance Initiative (PFI). Renationalise all privatised utilities and services, with compensation paid only on the basis of proven need.
Fully fund all services and run them under accountable, democratic committees that include representatives of service workers and users.
Free, publicly run, good quality education, available to all at any age. Abolish university tuition fees now and introduce a living grant. No to academies and 'Free schools'!
A socialist NHS to provide for everyone's health needs - free at the point of use and under democratic control. Kick out private contractors!
Keep council housing publicly owned. For a massive building programme of publicly owned housing, on an environmentally sustainable basis, to provide good quality homes with low rents.


as myself has slowly seen the nhs being run for profit
the socialist alternative party sounds like a dream
not just to me but for many others..
but i read your thread with great interest
cheers
dave



posted on May, 10 2012 @ 08:59 AM
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The last sentence in my signature is my answer to your thread...
Americans' will always fight for liberty!



posted on May, 10 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by davesmart
hi op

i do hear what you are saying...but
socialism in the uk can work
as you said castro was really a commie
heres what the socialist alternative party say here in coventry
...
as myself has slowly seen the nhs being run for profit
the socialist alternative party sounds like a dream
not just to me but for many others..
but i read your thread with great interest
cheers
dave


Don't you realise that even the "Socialist Party" of the UK it's very similar to a Communist Party?

Do you actually think it will work best for the workers to have the government/state have all power and all control?

I am sorry, but it is just a dream, and empty promises that will never occur. That is reality.

On the one hand is calling for nationalizing all utilities and services, on the other is calling for giving more control to the people such as in housing. If the state owns everything how can the people own anything at all?

You see, you are, and will be told that "you have to give up certain individual rights for the good of all, and the good of the Earth and the revolution", but when you give out ANY individual rights, even for the collective, you are in fact taking away the rights of EVERYONE.

It sounds great if you don't read between the lines, but if you can get the blindfold off your eyes and understand what you are reading you will see the truth.

Your national healthcare system is failing, many others around the world are also failing, or even bankrupt.

The healthcare in the U.S. also has many holes, but these holes started happening once the banker elites got control of the economy of this country. Americans used to once be able to afford having a doctor going to their home and they didn't have to pay a leg and an arm, but since 1913, and the implementation of the Federal Reserve by progressive democrats, under a progressive democrat as President, Woodrow Wilson, americans became slaves to the rich banker elites who are part of the global elites.

Look, to this day Americans give a lot of aid to other countries, and other people WITH THEIR OWN MONEY, not through taxes. What if there was a VOLUNTARY collection to pay for the healthcare of those who really can't afford it instead of DEMANDING and FORCING everyone to pay through another tax for everyone else's healthcare?

Millions of Americans would help WILLINGLY, and so would people in the UK, and other countries.

When you have the state/government FORCE people to do the will of the state, even when it is claimed to be "for the good of the collective, and the good of the Earth" in fact you are creating a dictatorship. One which you can't even argue against because "the state/government has all the power and all the control already".





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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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BTW, what really happens in communism is that the state/government STILL has all the power, as in socialism, but instead the small group, or person, which is in power claim to represent "the worker's" and claim to do the things they do "for the good of all/the collective, the revolution, and the Earth". That's real communism.



posted on May, 10 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Anyone who believes that their lives will be improved by embracing
socialism/communism,needs to take off their rose colored glasses.



posted on May, 10 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by mamabeth
Anyone who believes that their lives will be improved by embracing
socialism/communism,needs to take off their rose colored glasses.


Anyone who believes that their lives will be improved by embracing true Capitalism needs to take off their green (color of money, not environment) colored glasses.

Under true Capitalism, AIG, GM, Chrysler, Skank of America, City Group, Royal Bank of Scotland, Iceland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, and others would all have collapsed by now.



posted on May, 10 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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hi

no i dont see it
all i see is a failing economy
no jobs
nhs going down the pan
people get desperate and vote for what sounds best
i admit i and many others know little of politics
so if i sound mad
i apologise



posted on May, 10 2012 @ 10:37 AM
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I have personal experience with both systems: "real socialism" (term used in former communist block) and "crony capitalism". Both sucks.
"Real socialism" was not socialism (workers had almost no say in production process).
"Crony capitalism" is one of stages of real capitalism.
Capitalism is based on accumulation of capital = wealth/power is centralized in fewer and fewer hands. This inevitably leads to the "crony" part. Capitalists (privately owned capital) are now stronger than any state. Unlimited accumulation of capital leads to this situation. Monetary policy (FED and other central banking scams) is just one of tools capital uses to enslave others.
People often interchange socialism with planned economy and capitalism with free market. Free market and socialism (collective ownership of means of production) are not in contradiction. Same with planned economy and capitalism (typically present in war times).

RTFM aka Marx's Capital.

BTW as anarchist I'm quite against centralized power (i.e. state for example) but still I'm Marxist. Is this Ok in your view?


2 add:
Our leaders in CZ (neoliberal economic ideology combined with neocon political ideology) are masters in rewriting history.
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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by babybunnies

Anyone who believes that their lives will be improved by embracing true Capitalism needs to take off their green (color of money, not environment) colored glasses.

Under true Capitalism, AIG, GM, Chrysler, Skank of America, City Group, Royal Bank of Scotland, Iceland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, and others would all have collapsed by now.


WRONG... All those countries, and the rest of the world is in a financial crisis perpetrated by the SOCIALIST banker elites... The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, The Federal Reserve, etc were all formed under socialism.

Under socialism the state CENTRALIZES ALL POWER. Monopolies exist only when power is given to big companies, which is again a type of CENTRALIZATION OF POWER.

Under a true FREE MARKET there can be no monopolies because there is always competition.

Under socialism/communism corporations are known as "cooperative enterprises", and despite the claims that "the workers owning such companies do not do so for profit" the contrary is the truth. The only difference between cooperative enterprises and regular corporations is that in regular corporations anyone can have stakes on the company/enterprise, meanwhile under cooperative enterprises only the owners have stakes on the company/enterprise. And again in socialism the owner is the state claiming to have all power 'for the good of the people/the collective, Earth, and whatever other excuse they make up to lure in naive, unsuspecting people."

The Federal Reserve invented the U.S. dollar, and changed the economy of the United States which was based on the gold and silver standard to to a system of notes and credit wherein the note is only a piece of paper not backed by anything but empty promises.

The Federal Reserve was an idea and plan implemented by progressive democrats, the International Monetary Fund, the World Fund and every large group such as the UN are all socialist ideas which were implemented with the claim that "it will help the people/the collective".



posted on May, 10 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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Good post! Thanks for speaking the truth and bringing you and your families experience to the table. Unfortunately to many Americans especially the younger folks are buying the propaganda that socialism is good and giving government more power to supposedly enforce social equality is the answer when nothing could be further from the truth!

Giving government more power is never good and has been proven over and over for thousands of years of history! Social collectivism is theft! Maximum Freedom is the only answer and always has been!


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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by mamabeth
Anyone who believes that their lives will be improved by embracing
socialism/communism,needs to take off their rose colored glasses.


Anyone who believes that their lives will be improved by embracing true Capitalism needs to take off their green (color of money, not environment) colored glasses.

Under true Capitalism, AIG, GM, Chrysler, Skank of America, City Group, Royal Bank of Scotland, Iceland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, and others would all have collapsed by now.


You have bought the lies the institutions you name are not operating under free market capitalism they are operating under socialism/fascism. None of our problems are a result of free markets they are a result of centralized control and intervention under socialist communist collectivism that the politically connected socialist have labeled capitalism to trick you and it has worked. Stop repeating the socialist propaganda and listen the OP he has first hand experience!



posted on May, 10 2012 @ 08:53 PM
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Anyone who believes that their lives will be improved by embracing true Capitalism needs to take off their green (color of money, not environment) colored glasses.

Under true Capitalism, AIG, GM, Chrysler, Skank of America, City Group, Royal Bank of Scotland, Iceland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, and others would all have collapsed by now.


It is odd how your second sentence undermines your first. Allowing AIG, GM, Chrysler, Bank of America, and the others to fail would have been a good thing, and not the catastrophe big government claims it would have been. It is interesting how you chose to enter this thread and shill for corporatism.



posted on May, 10 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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You can be whatever you want to be. However, don't try to impose your ideas on me or others no matter how much you think "it's for the good of the collective, Earth and whatever other excuse you want to make".

I wonder how anarchism and marxism can exist together when in Marxism there is centralization of power where there is a state/government.

This is the problem with a lot of people today. You think that because something is possible in your mind it must be true in real life. This is not always so. Just like the belief by some that change can only be good when in fact there can be bad changes, and even worse ones.

Have you ever studied history and what marxism brought to the world? Don't be fooled by the claim "it hasn't been tried" it is just an excuse which has been used MANY times in the past to subjugate people to another socialist/communist dictatorship.


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posted on May, 11 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
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You can be whatever you want to be. However, don't try to impose your ideas on me or others no matter how much you think "it's for the good of the collective, Earth and whatever other excuse you want to make".

Anarchists usually prefer education not indoctrination via propaganda. Large segment of anarchists are strict pacifists, however there are many anarchists who see only way forward in violent revolution. Intersection of CZ anarchists and AntiFa is pretty militant but they target now only neonazis. There is some probability that with deteriorating economic situation they will start attacking big biz/banking figures and selected politics.



I wonder how anarchism and marxism can exist together when in Marxism there is centralization of power where there is a state/government.

Marx was genius but is not God. Fundament of his economic analyzes is valid 150 years later. That doesn't mean that all of his work should be read like the Bible. Quite contrary. Majority of anarchists stem from this economical fundament but are critics of many aspects of (especially later) Marxs work. Namely leading role of communist (or any other party) is unacceptable for us. In our eyes it is not right to fight pyramid of power of capital with other pyramid of power institutionalized in party. Anarchists believe in decentralization of power and here we have lot of common with libertarians.


This is the problem with a lot of people today. You think that because something is possible in your mind it must be true in real life. This is not always so. Just like the belief by some that change can only be good when in fact there can be bad changes, and even worse ones.

As citizen of former East block country I have first hand experience with this.


Have you ever studied history and what marxism brought to the world? Don't be fooled by the claim "it hasn't been tried" it is just an excuse which has been used MANY times in the past to subjugate people to another socialist/communist dictatorship.

Yes, I study a lot. Especially Russian revolution(s). Ones again I'll use Bible analogy: "Have you ever studied history and what christianity brought to the world?" Will I stop reading Bible because of Inquisition atrocities? Hell no. I'll read it again to understand it better.


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posted on May, 11 2012 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by mamabeth
Anyone who believes that their lives will be improved by embracing
socialism/communism,needs to take off their rose colored glasses.


Anyone who believes that their lives will be improved by embracing true Capitalism needs to take off their green (color of money, not environment) colored glasses.

Under true Capitalism, AIG, GM, Chrysler, Skank of America, City Group, Royal Bank of Scotland, Iceland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, and others would all have collapsed by now.


Your first sentence completely conflicts with your second. The second is correct, in that all of those businesses would have failed, as they absolutely should have. Which is the beauty of laissez faire capitalism: the consumer, the citizenry, has all the power. Capitalism, not the corporatism we have now, is the most free economic system available.

Socialism/communism aren't the most oppressive (that would be a dictatorship), but history shows them to become that way every single time, as Cuba, North Korea, China and Russia bear out.

/TOA



posted on May, 11 2012 @ 02:36 AM
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Excellent thread.

I too had a crazy uncle who fought against Batista and eventually tried to speak against Castro. He had to leave Cuba. You are absolutely right in what you say here. I have little to add or subtract. The "useful idiots" seem to make up allot of our generation. I just hope that it doesn't catch on any more than it has. We are on a tipping point in people´s minds.

Once again, history is proven an invaluable tool in every aspect of civilian life. I always encourage people to snap out of the mentality that everything that is "old" is worthless. We can see the future through it.

Thanks again.

Que tengas un buen dia guajira



posted on May, 11 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by JanAmosComenius
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Marx was genius but is not God. Fundament of his economic analyzes is valid 150 years later. That doesn't mean that all of his work should be read like the Bible. Quite contrary. Majority of anarchists stem from this economical fundament but are critics of many aspects of (especially later) Marxs work.
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Marx wasn't a genius, he was a warmonger who hated his own people, Jews.

You can't be a pacifist and like Marx, or his writings.

What do you think "permanent revolution" means? Or the fact that Marx said that "peace can only be attained with the absence of opposition to socialism"? (in fact this is his direct quote)

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.



And btw, another of Marx quotes shows how much of a...humanist he was...

The only antidote to mental suffering is physical pain.
Karl Marx

www.brainyquote.com...

Do you wonder how mental institutions would work under a socialist/marxist/communist system?..


If you do not like socialism, and Marxism completely as Marx saw it you are part of the opposition, just like I am, and it means you are an enemy of socialism/marxism.

Marx didn't want a peaceful revolution, he wanted people to be violent against anyone and everyone who dares like capitalism.

To Marx the rich were not the only Bourgeois, if you actually try to find out what the Bourgeois are...

bourgeois

1: of, relating to, or characteristic of the social middle class

www.merriam-webster.com...

To Marx, and to Marxists today's middle class are part of the Bourgeois, and you don't have to be rich to be one, you just have to own a few things, such as a house, if you own a car, and it can be a small one, own one or more tvs, have a pc, internet, and have electricity all day. If you have all these things you are part of the middle class and what Marx would call part of the Bourgeois...

To this day if you listen to Marxists even the owner of the small hot dog stand is an enemy and is part of the Bourgeois...

No matter how small your business is, and even if it helps people but you still make some profit you are part of the Bourgeois...

Listen to what modern Marxists have to say about the bourgeois.

Listen to the woman claim that anyone having anything over $200,000 dollars is ridiculous and no one should have that much money... It shows how much she knows about business. BTW, I do not have or make that much money, not even close. But I know that businesses, even small ones can make $200,000 U.S. dollars but the owner has to spend maybe 50%+ to about 75% of what the business makes to maintain his/her business, not to mention paying employees if he/she has them...

These are the main groups of the Occupy movement btw.



Oh and BTW, a lot of people who call themselves Marxists, and who become members of these groups jsut because their friends are in them have no idea that they are actually part of the Bourgeois. They are part of what the true communists call "useful idiots".

These people serve the purpose of helping the true communists in helping them implement socialism/communism, and after that these "useful idiots" become part of the real 99% in which everyone is equally poor, and own nothing at all under true socialism/communism...


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posted on May, 11 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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BTW, what do you think it means by abolition of all private property? under socialism/communism? It means that under a true socialist/communist system you can't own a car, you can't own ANY piece of land, or a house.

You only should make the BARE MINIMUM of what you need, which means no tv, just a radio to listen to the propaganda, no ipods, or cellular unless you REALLY need it for work, and then the state will mandate who really needs a cell phone, or even access to the internet.

You think that under a socialist/communist system you will be able to play online games?... You can say goodbye to wow, LOTRO, and every other online game because they are all capitalist enterprises, and not even free online games, or even regular console or pc games because they are all "capitalistic in nature"...

Not to mention that websites like this one would be banned because of their capitalist content. Even if you are all socialists/communists the website would be heavily restricted so there is "no opposition whatsoever against any socialist/communist policy"...

Most of today's Marxists, and other socialists/communists really have no idea what it means to live under the dictatorship that Marx and Engels, alongside other socialists/communists envisioned...


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posted on May, 11 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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I've watched Bezmenov"s videos before and always found them fascinating. Especially when he talks about how the Soviet Union directly confronting the US in a war would be too costly in terms of money and manpower, and that it would be more cost effective to simply infiltrate the educational systems and media of your enemy.

And then I look around at all the left wing nutjobs in "academia" and the media, and I say to myself "We can't say we weren't warned."




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