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¿World Currency?-Countries Nationalize Banks-Spain nationalizes No. 4 bank as crisis deepens

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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 12:44 AM
I was going to focus on just Spain in this thread, but it dawned on me, All Governments are looking to do this. Could this be the end result that the engineered financial crisis was heading towards. I see all these bankers resigning as a way to justify the governments need to step in as a stake holder as well as a source of leadership. When they all "agree" to find a solution, they will all unanimously ask for a world currency as well as a world government to regulate it.

Spain nationalizes No. 4 bank as crisis deepens

Spain's government says it will take control of the country's fourth largest bank and effectively nationalize it to shore up the nation's hurting banking sector.

The Economy Ministry says in a statement that €4.5 billion ($5.8 billion Cdn) in funding that Bankia SA received from Spain in 2010 and 2011 will be converted into shares of the institution's parent company.

Bankia faces the heaviest exposure among Spain's banks to bad property loans caused by a construction boom that went bust.

The decision announced Wednesday night came after investors sent Spanish government bond
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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 12:44 AM
This is just the first step. I think we will see allot of take over's in the months to come. Either governments take over failing banks, or they let foreign countries buy them out like china. This is a pretty big bank here and to think now that they are a government entity is insane.

I prefer this solution though instead of just throwing more money at them. The idea of converting past bailout money into shares is great IMO. The US should do that to those that still haven't paid back bailout money.
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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 12:50 AM

Will we see similar episodes across Europe? Bankers Heads hanging in shame after being told for the first time in their lives maybe....NO more money. In fact give me what you got "Mr. I am too important to fail". They are right, these banks are too important to fail. Take them over or let China do it. Our governments decide.
I think they have. In the not too distant future the financial collapse will make EU governments ask for a world currency. Controlling the banks now lets them prepare uninterrupted.

Rodrigo Rato stepped down as chairman of Bankia on Monday Photo: Reuters

The forced rescue was ordered by premier Mariano Rajoy after auditors Deloitte refused to sign off the bank's books, amid allegations of €3.5bn (£2.8bn) of inflated assets. Half of the bank's €37bn of property exposure is deemed "problematic" by regulators.

The lender has asked for €4.5bn in loans, converting the cash into ordinary shares. The Spanish government holding 45pc of the bank in return. Bank of Spain has also demanded Bankia dispose of assets as part of the rescue.

"The Spanish have denied until now that there was any need for fresh capital so it comes as a surprise. It wasn't intended, and that is a worry," said Guy Mandy, credit strategist at Nomura.

MADRID (Dow Jones)--The Spanish government said late Wednesday that it will rescue Bankia SA (BKIA.MC) by taking a large stake in the troubled lender, a move considered to be a crucial element in its effort to overhaul the country's banking sector and shore up confidence in the euro zone's fourth-largest economy.

The country's central bank said that Bankia's new chairman, Jose Ignacio Goirigolzarri, had requested the move.

The Bankia clean-up has long been seen as an acid test of Spain's resolve to put its financial house in order. Spain's fourth-largest bank by market value, Bankia has the industry's largest exposure ...

Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy dodged a question on whether the government planned to nationalize troubled lender Bankia, Spain's fourth-largest bank and the most exposed to bad loans on real estate.

Rajoy sought to reassure depositors who have money in Bankia S.A. and said financial reforms the government is expected to announce by Friday will "will help solve a lot of Spain's economic problems."

He said the main objected is to get Spanish banks, which are largely frozen out of international capital markets, to provide credit again to businesses and consumers. That is crucial to help the Spanish economy out of its second recession in three years. The jobless rate is 24.4 percent and GDP is forecast to shrink 1.7 percent this year.

"We know the situation is difficult, we know what we have to do and we will do it," Rajoy said at summit with his Portuguese counterpart in Oporto, Portugal.

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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 01:39 AM
Maybe the Govt is just too invested in those banks themselves to see them fail. Or maybe its one more step to truly controlling the people. No need to get the FBI to snoop around accounts anymore to trace where people are spending their money...

posted on May, 10 2012 @ 01:46 AM
reply to post by Cytra

Actually it is all of Europe doing this. I see it as a means of control for the single purpose of reverting back to old currencies and ultimately when all monetary systems collapse, they will install a world currency. IMO.

Europe Heading Towards Bank Nationalization
By Alen Mattich

As things stand, Europe’s banks are heading towards wholesale nationalization.

Greece’s, Portugal’s, Ireland’s, Italy’s and, once its banks properly account for the losses on their property portfolios, Spain’s national debt loads are so onerous that default or selective default grows increasingly certain unless somehow these economies can be jump-started into strong growth.

And because banks across the European Union are so heavily invested in national debt, default will wipe out their capital.

The problem is, jump-starting growth is well-nigh impossible under current circumstances. With much of the euro-zone economy contracting, enforced austerity in order to reduce deficits merely ensures recession. Recession, in turn, means an erosion of government finances and a worsening of the overall debt position.

But there seems to be little alternative to austerity. Governments have created such bloated welfare states across Europe and such massive regulatory barriers to effective economic expansion that something needs to be done. The alternative, of continuing with the status quo until normal growth resumes, is a pipe dream. Things have got to the state where they can’t continue as they have done in the past.

One alternative is for the European Central Bank to buy time by buying bonds, driving down interest rates in these countries. In order to prevent moral hazard, this would have to be accompanied by a centralization of fiscal policy
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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 02:00 AM
correction, the world is doing this. We are looking at the means to secure a world currency. When all major banks are under direct governmental control, they all "agree" on a solution. They do agree, but the solution was designed long before the problem was created. One world currency calls for a one government to regulate this complex financial apparatus.

Rescue of Banks Hints at Nationalization


Published: January 15, 2009

WASHINGTON — Last fall, as Federal Reserve and Treasury Department officials rode to the rescue of one financial institution after another, they took great pains to avoid doing anything that smacked of nationalizing banks.

They may no longer have that luxury. With two of the nation’s largest banks buckling under yet another round of huge losses, the incoming administration of Barack Obama and the Federal Reserve are suddenly dealing with banks that are “too big to fail” and yet unable to function as the sinking economy erodes their capital.

Particularly in the case of Citigroup, the losses have become so large that they make it almost mathematically impossible for the government to inject enough capital without taking a majority stake or at least squeezing out existing shareholders.

And the new ground rules laid down by Mr. Obama’s top economic advisers for the second half of the $700 billion bailout fund, as explained in a letter submitted to Congress on Thursday, call for the government to play an increasing role in the major activities of the banks, from the dividends they pay to shareholders to the amount they can pay executives.

“We are down a path that this country has not seen since Andrew Jackson shut down the Second National Bank of the United States,” said Gerard Cassidy, a banking analyst at RBC Capital Markets. “We are going to go back to a time when the government controlled the banking system.”

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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 02:24 AM
We need to step up to the plate here people. When the government says they will nationalize banks, we need to stop them. Once they control them they WILL install a world currency. That is the flood gates opening for a world government as well as a world leader. AKA....Bad guy.

Call him what you will, but this is leading towards a world leader of a world organization of government. The end of the age of freemen.

posted on May, 10 2012 @ 03:11 AM
More on this that I found interesting. Looks like they are setting up for another fall. Instead of a bail out, they will do a massive consolidation where possible. No one has money for another bail out.

Northern Rock Cash Used to Fund Deal

A third of the £747 million cash price that Sir Richard Branson’s Virgin Money is paying to buy Northern Rock will be funded from the state-owned bank’s current capital base, the Financial Times has discovered.

According to people involved in the deal, Virgin believes it can extract up to £250 million of “excess capital” from Northern Rock – as well as a further £150 million or so from Virgin Money – leaving the combined business with a thinner capital cushion.

Virgin Money announced on Thursday that it would pay £747 million in cash plus £150 million of new convertible debt for Northern Rock – the bank that epitomized the credit boom and bust before it was nationalized three years ago. A further sum of up to £130 million will be payable to the government depending on performance and the timing of any resale of the business.

Virgin Group is injecting only £50 million of cash alongside a similar amount from little-known Abu Dhabi fund Stanhope Investments, and close to £260 million from US financier Wilbur Ross. The rest is set to come from release of the nearly £400 million in “excess capital” from Northern Rock and Virgin Money.

The revelation of the structure behind Virgin’s deal makes no difference to the amount of money the taxpayer will receive, but could reduce money that might otherwise be deployed for loans or expansion. It also risks further infuriating critics of the deal, who on Thursday pointed to the loss of at least £400 million that the government is making compared with the bail-out money it injected.

Lord Oakeshott, the Liberal Democrat peer, said he was concerned whether Sir Richard Branson and his overseas backers might be planning an “asset strip” before the deal was formally completed.

“If he is going to do an asset strip for £250 million of capital it could mean that if things go wrong again we would have to rescue them again.”

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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 03:11 AM
was a double post, but I´ll just add more

I don't think they are correct in a currency reversal. That would never happen. It would be political suicide for all leaders and cause mass uprisings. No, I think the collapse will lead to a new Euro zone deal. Then in the process the US will have its own crisis, whether it be social or financial and then we will see the emergence of the new currency followed shortly by the regulatory entity with a single leader. If you are wondering how Gold is looking take a look at the graph down below. It seems like the only "stable" thing to invest in. I would opt to actually OWN the gold though. No paper receipts will be respected IMO.

Contagion is here and now and we are witnessing a ‘Perfect Storm’ involving a global banking and sovereign debt crisis leading to an international monetary crisis

XAU-GBP Exchange Rate (G14 30 Days - Bloomberg)

The scale of the debt crisis is so humongous that it is now beyond the scope of policy makers and central banks to sort out.

Volatility and wild gyrations in all financial markets continues due to a confluence of negative data, news and fundamentals.

French banks have been downgraded and Chinese Premier Wen’s call that Europe get its own house in order quashed the unsubstantiated and unsourced rumors regarding massive Chinese intervention to solve the Eurozone debt crisis.

European banks are hemorrhaging deposits as savers and money funds pile into other perceived havens such sterling, dollar and Swiss franc deposit accounts. Retail and institutional deposits at Greek banks fell 19 percent in the past year and almost 40 percent at Irish lenders in 18 months.

A tiny fraction of these European deposits has gone into gold with the majority going into other fiat currency deposits. It is not just the saver of periphery nations who are opening non euro deposit accounts - many German savers are opening up deposit accounts in Switzerland.

A Jefferies report suggesting that Europe is about to experience a Lehman Brothers collapse and splintering of the Eurozone continues to be digested and reverberate around global markets.

The report echoes and confirms what more astute observers, including GoldCore, have been warning of for some time.

The author is David Zervos, Managing Director and the Head of Global Fixed Income Strategy at Jefferies and a former Federal Reserve official (Visiting Advisor in the Division of Monetary Affairs in the Federal Reserve Board in Washington DC).

The Jefferies report first covered on Zero Hedge warns of “a move towards financial market nationalization that will make the U.S. experience look like a walk in the park.”

They warn of a breakup of the euro and periphery countries returning to their respective currencies – the escudo, lira, punt, peseta and drachma. However they focus on Portugal, Ireland and Greece or what they term the ‘PIG’.

“The most likely scenario for these countries is full bank nationalization followed by exit and currency reintroduction.”

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