Ron Paul supporters: What will convince you that Romney won fair and square?

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I would be convinced that Romney is beating Paul if they would get rid of the manipulatable electronic voting machines, used only paper records with voting, and actually allowed the public to be there when they counted the votes.

the fact remains, there is ample evidence going back over a decade that the electronic voting machines are manipulated

they count votes in private and there is no accountability with the results.

in the end, ot really doesn't matter what the straw poll results are. We are not a Democracy where majority votes matter. We are a Republic and there is a delegate process that we go thru to decide winners. Romney is losing that delegate race.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Nite_wing

 

I am an Romney supporter. Let me be the first. I am for anyone against Obama.
I find it illogical that those who claim to be Ron Paul Libertarians who are supposedly strict Constitutionalists are willing to vote for the man who is destroying the Constitution if their first choice doesn't win.

I find it illogical for people to vote against someone instead of voting for someone.

At least the Ron Paul folks have the integrity to actually support who they like and are unwilling to bend...but it seems like you have no beliefs you stand behind...just someone that you are against.

RP folks may have integrity but not common sense. Intelligence does not equal wisdom.

People voting for RP apparently do not want what we have now. Yet, they will write in RP for "integrity" and suffer what we have now for even worse if Obama stays in office. (Tell Vladimir I will have more flexibility after the election.)

Eventually, one must decide to look at what is practical. If RP does not get the nomination, does anyone think he has the slightest chance in Hell of being elected by write in? Our country is at stake here. This is the most important election of my lifetime and I have had a long lifetime. Integrity is not wasted supporting a candidate as far as practical. When that candidate cannot win, then intergrity blurs into stupidity because it allows Obama to destroy us further. Sometimes one must cut their losses and wait for the next opportunity. With Obama being re-elected, there may never be another opportunity for the U.S. I fully expect a monarchy if he is re-elected in 2012 with the FEMA camps giving out tickets.

I would like to meet you. I will look for you behind the wire.

reply to post by Nite_wing
In response, I'll post the answer I gave on another thread - and you feel free to tell me how it's just a ploy, and where my thinking's wrong exactly:

I think you may have misunderstood, as I'm personally not aware (perhaps am just ignorant) of any Paul supporters being discussed here who could vote for either Romney OR Obama. I believe The Sword was indicating that we will sit out instead of holding our nose and voting for Romney to oust Obama.

The reason for this, in my and my family's case at least, is because there's not much more than a dime's worth of difference between them. They are all too close on pretty much any matter of substance, and both have shown themselves to be entirely too undependable when comes to holding to their promises, as well as entirely too willing to screw over the US citizenry and continue signing horrible legislation (such as PATRIOT Act extensions and various other NEW offenses like NDAA, etc.), approving budgets that will screw our descendents over for...well, pretty much ever, not working to reverse any existing and egregious offenses, and a range of other similar issues on which the two are all too alike.

Coupling ALL that with the fact that they're more or less bankrolled by the same wicked parties that had big share in directing us into these messes in the first place (and continue to work against the common man to their own benefit) and - screw them both.

If I don't have anybody worth voting for, who actually represents MY interests - I'm not voting. Hopefully the Libertarians will make the ballot here, because I would be able to in good conscious support Gary Johnson, although I wouldn't prefer him.

Oh, and before I forget - don't mistake the fact that the GOP has perverted itself into something far from its original long-standing ideals and truths to twist things and say these people aren't GOP - the GOP is just no longer itself, and has become populated by those who would better fit into the democratic party of legacy. Big government, foreign intervention, and a range of other things the GOP now holds dear used to be DEMOCRATIC party indicators.

Be well.

Long story short - Romney has essentially zero more respect for the constitution than Obama does. He hasn't earned my vote, and I learned some time back that voting for the lesser of two evils still leaves you with evil - and rarely fixes anything.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


you simply miss the obvious and always intend to imply that someone is cheating.
They got elected BECAUSE they put their preference down for pres. nominee as Dr. Ron Paul.
That is why all those in attendance voted for them.
If they did as you imply, that they put down as their preference as Romney they would not have been elected delegates.
It's not always a conspiracy as you continue to state claiming they are being dishonest.
It is what it is. The conferences are always full of Ron Paul supporters and they vote for those that publicly claim they have a preference for Ron Paul. That is so blatantly obvious to everyone.

Nothing about Romney winning has been won fair and square. It's kinda of strange the only states he wins are the states where votes are taken to an undisclosed location and counted in secret or the states with the voting machines. Yeah, sure. We can trust this method. It also makes total sense when Romney has a Rally, at the most, 400 ppl show up. The most recent rally he held, just over 50 people showed up to watch him speak and support him.
That's a number you'd expect someone to have who has 600,000+ ppl who went and voted for him on May 8 in the Indiana primary.

As for Ron Paul, his last rally over 8,000 people took the time to watch him speak and support him. So, for less than 90,000 people to show up on May 8 in each of the 3 states makes total sense.
That's how things turn out when you play fair and square.

I dont buy it! No WAY Romney had that many ppl went out and voted for Romney and I think all the fraud will be exposed in Aug. at the RNC. RP knew, before all this started, fraud was going to happen and if you don't think he organized something before primaries and caucuses started to document the fraud then you don't know Ron Paul.
He is 2-3 steps ahead of the establishment on everything and he's got this fraud covered as well.

Face it, Willard Romney doesn't have 600,000 people supporting him in the entire country.

There was enough fraud uncovered surrouding romney votes you have to take the idea of Romney having won with a grain of salt and most likely utter bullcrap

reply to post by Praetorius


Sorry, same old story. They are the same. I am not interested in canned remarks.

reply to post by Nite_wing


your arg fails when accurately addressed.
You ask what is better, socialism which is where we are going, or fascism, the other choice.
I choose neither of those 2. Both represent the globalist bankers interests in the Hegelian dialectic that they give you in either side of the same coin.
There is absolutely no real difference between communism/socialism and unregulated capitalism. They both take the power from the people and give it all to the rich elite.

Your arg fails. There is and always be more than 1 of 2 choices. I do not choose door #1, behind of which is a mussolini mask or door #2, a man in a stalin mask.
I choose the best choice available even if it not the lesser of 2 evils if my conscience dictates that truth matters in the end. After all, truth is eternal and will still be here long after you, I or the lesser of 2 evils.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by litterbaux
30 minutes into the thread, no flags.

I'm well aware that this place is crawling with Paul supporters, I'm not really interested in getting stars or flags, I'm just really interested in the mindset of paul supporters on here. If you really base truth or fact upon howmany stars or flags a poster gets then you're not well and truly searching for the truth.

Nice thread

I actually support Ron Paul but I am not part of the cult. I find most Ron Paul supporters to be highly annoying. The Dr Paul Cult will ignore any and all criticism of Ron Paul. The Dr Paul Cult also refuse to accept that Romney is the choice of Republicans. I have tried to get many of them to accept it here on ATS so we can move on to supporting an Independant run. So we can plan for it. Ensure the numbers. I have posted the link to americanselect so many times on ATS Im worried the mods will think Im political trolling. (americanselect.com)Whats the sense in crying about the gop? The Dr Paul Cult needs to utilize their energy but they wont. I think many Paul supporters just jumped on the bandwagon because its en-vougue. I also think many members of the Dr Paul Cult are kids.

I think alot of Ron Paul. I dont think much of most of his supporters though.

Originally posted by Nite_wing
reply to post by Praetorius

 

Sorry, same old story. They are the same. I am not interested in canned remarks.

I went a bit further than canned remarks with my justifications for them based on what I've seen of their policy proposals, opinions on a range of issues, and lack of understanding of constitutional limitations on the scope of federal authority.

I also asked for you to explain how this is not the case. As it seems you're apparently unable to do so, I'm forced to continue believing there is no valid reason for me to bother holding my nose and supporting Romney.

I believe you and Outcast Searcher got your marching orders at the same time.

Attack R.P supporters..... !!!!

Two threads doing the exact same thing.... Who would of thunk it coming from you two?

But, YES R.P. is done for- like it or not.

Best he can hope for is to be asked to be Romney's V.P-which isn't going to happen.

reply to post by Germanicus
Wow. That was...quite disgusting, actually, and made me feel dirty. I'll pretend I didn't hear you say you support Paul, as I simply can't square it with the rest.

That said - as to Romney being the best choice for republicans, I have to disagree. He's got too many of the same wrong ideas that led us where we are now, no proven history of sticking to his guns when the political going gets tough, and a proven history of bad judgement and not listening to those who know better.

Regarding the "Ron Paul Cult" basically not doing anything useful (I'll let pass the implication that Americans Elect is such) - what exactly do you think is going on with what is basically a guerilla-style takeover of the GOP from the bottom-up? Paul supporters are taking over state, county, and local GOP positions, and will be working to enact change starting at the local level. Basically - there is no need to give up on the GOP - it just needs to be brought back to its roots.

Otherwise, I can agree with some of your sentiments as regards some supporters.

Take care.

reply to post by Praetorius

That said - as to Romney being the best choice for republicans

Romney isnt the best choice for them but he is their choice. We need to accept it and focus our energy on something more productive. I dont have alot of genuine hope of an Independant Paul run working but I do have hope. We should all concentrate on that.

And I support Ron Paul because he will curb American Imperialism. His 'isolationist' foreign policy is what appeals to me because I am a National Socialist. I want America to go home.

I also like that Ron Paul says he will offer friendship to Iran. The thing I like the most about Ron Paul is the things he says about the IMF. The IMF is the devil and Ron Paul knows it.


Edit-Not only do I consider the gop to be futile but I see Paul as having more appeal when he is not part of the duopoly. Thats why I have been interested in americanselect for months.

And you take care too.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Thankyou! Finally somebody who agrees with me.... uh-oh wait, not a Ron Paul supporter?

I cannot for the life of me believe that Paul supporters can get away with this kind of mentality on this forum. One guy says 'nothing will convince if that Romney won fair and square' and this is just taken as truth, I mean how far from reality does one have to be?

I've heard of cult political followings and beliefs before but not this bad.....

Originally posted by kalisdad
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

I would be convinced that Romney is beating Paul if they would get rid of the manipulatable electronic voting machines,

So if Ron Paul won the Republican primaries, hypothetically, and this was done mostly through electronic voting, you wouldn't believe his victory was legitimate right? Given that clearly you are impartial over this matter.

Sorry, not going to read 4 pages of this drival.....fair and square in American politics....your joking right?!?!

reply to post by Germanicus
Thanks for clarifying that. We don't agree on all points, but we do have some in common regardless.

I'm inclined to agree with the likelihood of the presidency as regards Paul, but I'm also looking to repair of the GOP beyond that, and the future of the GOP's political will. Granted, however, the duopoly is an issue and I feel its stranglehold needs to end.

Much obliged.

Originally posted by JeffreyCH
Sorry, not going to read 4 pages of this drival.....fair and square in American politics....your joking right?!?!

edit on 9-5-2012 by JeffreyCH because: typo

Are you a Paul supporter? Can you actually answer the question? Is there anything that will make you accept Romney is the clear winner? Or are you going to be like the other Paul supporters here and just deny anything and everything??

reply to post by litterbaux

I give you credit tho, you must be extremely motivated for Romney.

That's because money talks.

I'm wondering why this OP hasn't been banned already for political trolling.