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Major Terror Attack Inside the US Only Moments Away?




Topic started on 29-9-2004 @ 12:55 PM by SIRR1


Is this a pretty bold statement? Not really if we look at all the facts, circumstances and events happening around us everyday. The problem is you are only getting bits and pieces of information and mainstream media isn’t combining and matching the events together correctly to give you the big picture called reality that is steadily closing in on us.

Lets look at just a few things that have occurred recently here in this country that by themselves do not seem earth shattering, but when combined as they are in this article should make you sit straight up, suddenly make you aware of a small lump forming in your throat and make you realize that the terrorism threat is serious business and that we have been picked, primed, studied by, and will be attacked by some of the most ruthless people imaginable very soon.

www.homelandsecurityus.com...



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reply posted on 29-9-2004 @ 01:06 PM by esdad71


Good article. It is very true. We live in a disbelief that we are safe from everything becasue each week on Alias or in a movie something is thwarted. This is real life. There are incidents each day that we as everyday joes are not aware of. Pick up the last Clancy book, Teeth of the Tiger, for a very eye opening view of what may be awaiting us. Truth is stranger than fiction, so if it can be published by one man, iot could be thought and implemented by another.



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reply posted on 29-9-2004 @ 01:09 PM by alternateheaven


I can't help but think that 'Analyst' is giving out more credit than is really due. The very way he lays out the information plays to our fears, and seems ot overally enforce the idea that there are terrorists lurking behind every conerer waiting to get us. And the heading is pure sensationalism at its most disgusting. This bit really gets me...


It isn’t until you compile your thoughts from over time, combine together related news items you have heard over the last few years and really take inventory of these events and how they are related, that you start to see a very startling and quite evil picture emerging.


The emerginng picture I see is that the goverment for the most part has blown alot of smoke up our !@# and produced very little in the way of real tangable results. Every day theres a threat of impending doom, and we all wake up the next day. If this one guy can come up with the theory that the other shoe is seconds or minutes from dropping than our beloved goverment should be a few pages ahead of him and STOP this from happening, thus negating his theory and sending him back to his day job doing whatever it is he does.



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reply posted on 29-9-2004 @ 03:49 PM by Freedom_for_sum



Originally posted by alternateheaven
I can't help but think that 'Analyst' is giving out more credit than is really due. The very way he lays out the information plays to our fears, and seems ot overally enforce the idea that there are terrorists lurking behind every conerer waiting to get us. And the heading is pure sensationalism at its most disgusting. This bit really gets me...


It isn’t until you compile your thoughts from over time, combine together related news items you have heard over the last few years and really take inventory of these events and how they are related, that you start to see a very startling and quite evil picture emerging.


The emerginng picture I see is that the goverment for the most part has blown alot of smoke up our !@# and produced very little in the way of real tangable results. Every day theres a threat of impending doom, and we all wake up the next day. If this one guy can come up with the theory that the other shoe is seconds or minutes from dropping than our beloved goverment should be a few pages ahead of him and STOP this from happening, thus negating his theory and sending him back to his day job doing whatever it is he does.


How do you know the governemt HASN'T stopped attacks within our borders already?



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reply posted on 29-9-2004 @ 05:34 PM by The Vagabond


I agree with alternateheaven. The site is making a mountain out of a mole-hill and sensationalizing generic information by suggesting that it means there will be an attack "in moments". It sounds like Ashcroft and Rummy wrote it!
Allow me to isolate each of the websites points under the light of logic.



-Packages being left in subways, shopping malls and other public places. Not harmful in themselves, but a study in how observant we are and how we react to the package.

This has been happening for 4 years and none of the so-called "tests" were followed by an attack. They should have acted by now if these were tests. Would you plan an attack for 2005 based on your observations of security proceedures in 2002? NO! Time has proven these misplaced packages to be innocent.



-Foreign people being found filming or in possession of film or photos of buildings, public places, transportation centers, airports, amusement parks, various cities and landmarks. Many of them employed by countries that are known terrorist supporters.

Everyone takes cameras to landmarks. Foreigners go to landmarks too, and often when a foreigner gets to come to America it is related to business or government employment. It's called TOURISM not TERRORISM! I know US Marines who served at our embassies, and all of them took pictures of landmarks while they were there. None of them were planning attacks.



-Thousands of middle-eastern males are crossing the borders into this country, primarily through Mexico and have been since before September 11, 2001. These border crossings are only resulting in a small handful actually being taken into custody by border patrol agents due to inadequate staffing and resources. These are illegal males are known as “OTM’s” (Other than Mexicans)


Unsubstantiated. Name an agent who makes this claim, cite an official report, cite reliable statistics of some kind, produce JUST ONE person who crossed the mexican border illegally and was subsequently convicted of any crime related to terrorism.



-Numerous reports of observation, filming and illegal trespass around our power plants, nuclear facilities and water facilities.


Name them, describe their specific behavior, identify the credible witnesses, and cite reliable reports of what action was taken against the illegal tresspassers. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, I'm just saying that we're not exactly looking at an impending disaster if we are catching these people and there aren't any alarming stories to tell about them.



-Numerous theft cases of known and publicly accepted uniforms such as those worn by airline personnel, law enforcement, medical personnel, rescue personnel, delivery and transport companies as well as service companies that intermingle with us everyday in the workplace, where we shop, where we lodge and where we eat.

This statement is worded in a very biased manner. It's just DRIPPING with fear. I don't have to steal a uniform to go where you lodge and where you eat! I don't have to be a citizen, have a diploma, or even speak english to handle the keys to your hotel room or prepare your food. If they wanted to poison us or whatever then what's the hold up? And where are all these stolen uniforms? They haven't been used to pull of a strike and it's been 4 years. I'm guessing that if these aren't just random thefts then the feds are probably catching the terrorists.



-Thefts that result in hundreds and thousands of pound of explosives being stolen from facilities and businesses across the country.


My grandfather and father have legal access to plenty of explosives, fuel, pesticides, etc etc. One worked for a citrus producer and the other is a construction worker. What is the hold up after 4 years when it's so easy to get? Tim McVeigh got his legally too didn't he?
Now where are these hijacked trucks and where are the hijackers? Most of them were apparently random, and when the hijackers found out what they had they ditched the trucks to avoid ending up at Camp X-ray. (or they secretly WERE taken to X-ray which is why the hijacked trucks have been found abandoned several times).
In either case they aren't keeping them and they aren't using them. We're too safe to call it luck if you ask me.



-Numerous incidents where middle-eastern men are attempting to buy large trucks, ambulances or even small airplanes in suspicious manners such as wanting to conduct the transaction away from the dealership, offering to pay cash or simply asking very strange questions about the vehicle or plane, how it operates or where it is stored when not in use.


I realize that you probably don't deal with a lot of truck drivers, but when I used to accept oil deliveries at an asphalt plant I did. I met a lot of awkward and bashful seeming Mexicans and Pakistanis who didn't speak too clearly, asked stupid questions, gave stupid answers, and had a great interest in large trucks full of combustible material. None of them blew up our asphalt plant. One of them backed into the pump that unloaded his truck and made a huge mess, but his terrorist plot was foiled because it didn't ignite... or it could have just been an accident that wasn't meant to ignite anything.



-The various sightings of people around the country that are known terrorists such as Abderraouf Jdey, A. El Shukrijumah, Amer El-Amaati with the sighting occurring around critical infrastructure known targets of terrorists.

And in 4 years they haven't hit us. How is it that we know where these people are scouting but they aren't dead or at camp x-ray? Could it be fake, or could it maybe just not be them? And why haven't they hit us. You say "they have not yet begun to fight", but I say that about 3 years ago would have been a great time to start... before we kicked their arse up one side and down the other in Afghanistan.



-Strange and unexplained deaths, disappearances and murders of top bio-chemists, bioterrorism experts, biochemistry professors, micro-biologists throughout this country and around the world in the last two to three years.

Name them and cite their credentials which made them "TOP" bio-chemists.


I believe that the government and media have exagerated the threat greatly. I believe that if the government isn't blowing smoke at us, then they are doing a much better job than we think of protecting us. It's one or the other.



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reply posted on 29-9-2004 @ 05:41 PM by marg6043


It’s not that what the terrorist wants you to believe? That they can come anytime and any moment and take away your way of life and your security.

I will tell you they are wining in the sense that we cannot even wake up every day without thinking if today will be the day.



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reply posted on 29-9-2004 @ 07:35 PM by The Vagabond



Originally posted by marg6043
I will tell you they are wining in the sense that we cannot even wake up every day without thinking if today will be the day.


Maybe you can't wake up without thinking about it, but I rarely think about it. It's not that the terrorists are winning- just that a handful of cowards are losing.
I'm neither winning nor losing- I'm not fighting with the terrorists. They are far far away. If I went over there they would probably fight me. If they came over here I would probably fight them.



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reply posted on 29-9-2004 @ 08:12 PM by quiver


Vagabond, who are you spinning for?

These are legitimate concerns, and the mo's have been consistant the world over, your denial speaks volumes.



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reply posted on 29-9-2004 @ 08:57 PM by esdad71


The terrorist counts on the attitude of "Vagabond " to look the other way because it could not happen here. Latency is what they are looking and waiting for. To think that there is no chance of another attack is a view you might enjoy, but one that is skewed. THere is no conspiracy by our government, it is a matter of waiting, and if terrorists have proved one thing, it is that they can wait. They plan, do the research, wait and attack. How many failed terror attacks compared to successful attacks have there been in the last 10 years? I do not live in fear, but I live in vigilance.



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reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 12:33 AM by joey


The cynic in me wants to believe that the government is manufacturing all the terror warnings etc. However, the fact remains, we have been hit. No, we haven't been hit recently, but it was a long time between the first bombing of the WTC and 9/11. I'm not cowering in my house, but I, too, am vigilent. I don't believe everything the government says but I don't discount the very real probability that there are people who want to harm us and will, eventually, harm us in some manner.
joey



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reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 06:40 PM by The Vagabond



Originally posted by esdad71
The terrorist counts on the attitude of "Vagabond " to look the other way because it could not happen here. Latency is what they are looking and waiting for. To think that there is no chance of another attack is a view you might enjoy, but one that is skewed. THere is no conspiracy by our government, it is a matter of waiting, and if terrorists have proved one thing, it is that they can wait. They plan, do the research, wait and attack. How many failed terror attacks compared to successful attacks have there been in the last 10 years? I do not live in fear, but I live in vigilance.


Do you people try to misunderstand me or is it just a natural skill of most members here? Let me sum up my views so that you can respond to what I actually said.

1. I said I'm not fighting the terrorists in a very literal way. You aren't fighting the terrorists either. In fact... everyone who killed a terrorist this month, raise your hand. Everyone who reported something that resulted in a terrorist being sent to Camp X-ray raise your hand.... see what i mean?
I am in favor of going after the terrorists in other countries and I never said that I wasn't. Unlike most people who want to invade everyone and their grandmother, I joined the USMC after deciding that I was in favor of it.
While we're on that subject, I want soccer moms and little old ladies to stop saying "i support our troops" unless they really are doing so: support is material. I supported the war on terrorism until I recieved back injuries in training- now I just favor it.

2. I am annoyed by people who talk about "if we _____ the terrorists win". This is what I read in Marg's post about being afraid of an attack every day, and this is what I was replying to by saying that I'm not fighting the terrorists. It's no more a part of my life than the prospect of an earthquake. It could happen, and I'm prepared to take care of myself in emergency situations like that, but I dont think about it, I don't fear it, and I don't let the media get me all wrapped up in this propaganda which seeks to make hatred of terrorists and "courage" in the face of terrorism (aka mild fear of an impending attack) a part of my daily life.

3. I stand by my critique of this hyped up fear-mongering claim that there could be a terrorist attack "in moments". I'm not one of those idiots who runs around screaming that Bush lied to start the war, but if you want to talk about "sexed-up intelligence" then direct you attention squarely at the notion that a few coincidences and a few suspicious people add up to a "major" attack coming in "moments".


Let's not forget that in almost 4 years they haven't gotten ANYTHING done. It seems obvious to me that if there ever was a terrorist threat then our government is defeating them handily. Either the media or the government is perpetuating the fear at this point for profit and for political gain.

With millions of dollars, hundreds of people, several sympathetic governments, and 3.5 years, they should have done something. For the love of christ, I could collapse the government of most nations with less!

I can tell you for a fact that if I were Osama Bin Laden and the situation is as dangerous as we are told, I know how Al Qaida could kill several thousand US troops at home, successfully use biological weapons on Americans, damage or perhaps sink an American aircraft carrier, and cripple the California freeway system (and hence do serious economic damage) all within a timeframe of MONTHS not years. Its not that i'm brilliant, it's just that there are vulnerabilities which if they are not being exploited, must be better defended than we are being told.

Not that I don't see the threat terrorists pose, I just refuse to be terrified.



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reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 07:15 PM by phreak_of_nature



Originally posted by The Vagabond
Not that I don't see the threat terrorists pose, I just refuse to be terrified.


That is the attitude I think we all need to keep. If we are terrified then we are allowing them inside our heads which is the goal of terrorism, isn't it.

The author of the article, and I read it a few days ago, with a big, big, grain of salt, is sensationalizing for dramatic impact. The instances he references are known to people who follow those types of things. Some of them are also known to be bogus. But the one's that aren't are ones to watch. Keep your eyes open for packages left in unusally places. Watch people who are in places they don't belong.
I believe it is a good thing to be vigilent, and aware of your surroundings, but my god, you just can't live every day in fear.
I'm not hearing that from most of the people who have responded to this thread.

This week near where I live, some people saw a sikh monk(?) walking along the highway. He was simply a traveler looking for a good place to stop and pray/meditate. The people who saw him called the police and, I kid you not, said they saw Usama bin Laden walking along the highway!

This is fear, plan and simple.



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reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 07:42 PM by Crakeur


I think the mere fact that we know of that many instances indicates that our security is somewhat on the ball.

It might also explain why nothing has happened yet. If we catch these people taking pics of landmarks etc, then their handlers know we are onto them to some degree.



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