Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals.

I really don't know why we have to discuss this.

Just personally. Of course they do. All men (mankind) are created equal and have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Period.

reply to post by BIGPoJo


Because you feel hat marriage is a religious institution. Then why have marriages been performed in all societies since the dawn of humanity. Even my people, that you'd likely call savage redskins, had marriage And allowed same sex marriage.

You think that marriage is for the sake of propagation, yet heterosexuals that are barren/sterile can still marry, woman that can't have children due to old age can marry

People used to think interracial marriage was wrong, until they taught and won that right.

To think that you have the right to tell others how to live their lives is egotism, tried and true. And only someone that was molested as a child or brainwashed by false gods would have the AUDACITY to force your beliefs on others.


I'm gay. I don't want a wedding in one of your churches, I want a wedding in MY religion, which MY religion allows.
But, you know, yours bans it so we all should. That is idiocy at its finest. Must be a bush

Originally posted by BIGPoJo
Sex does not equal love, remember that.

While I am bothered by your post and there is much for me to reply to here, I am simply burnt out from doing so in another, popular "Explain how homosexuality is natural" thread. Suffice to say, I won't waste my breath, because it likely won't matter here, just like it doesn't there, either. However, I do want to say one thing, about your above-quoted sentence.

Sex does not equal love, according to you, which is, as matter of fact, a subjective statement. Yes, while sex is a physical, primal activity, it does not mean that engaging in it excludes love between persons. In fact, while I consider myself to be quite the modern woman, I believe in having sex with someone I love. I could not walk down an alley and screw a homeless guy--or anyone for that matter--just because I have urges and am, by nature, a sexual creature. For me, the best sex of my life has been with my husband, someone I love endlessly and have been married to for almost 13 years, because I love him like no other. I was not a virgin, either, when I got married; I had had other partners.

While sex may be physical, it doesn't mean it is an act only involving body parts.

Because of people like this op. I'm now considering leaving ATS.


I thought this would be a site that was all about denying ignorance but every other day I log on to see at least one thread where straight people deface people like me for being gay.

If you don't see me on here again, you'll know why

reply to post by BIGPoJo


I absolutely MUST weigh in on this issue, and I have not read past the first page so I appologise if I'm repeating any points made by other posters.

Op, let me guess, you are a Christian and the married man you know who has tendancies or attractions to other men is a member of your church?! His refusal to be honest with himself, or ignore his urges as you so delicately put it, is due to his fear and shame which was "taught" to him by his church/religious beliefs. This is one of the numerous areas where organized religion (Christianity specifically) has dominated control over it's follower's lives! This is a huge issue because it denies people their free choice to live their lives fully and completely, enjoying each day and really LIVING this human experience!!

We are all unique and special, having wants, needs, desires, likes, dislikes, hobbies, interests and so on, that are exclusive to us as individuals. That's what, at the end of the day, makes being human such a magical experience! And the way I feel is simply this, if you love someone and want to commit to the person for the extent of your human experience, then no one has the right to deny you that priviledge!! Our society views marriage as a commitment to another human being and as such, that person is entitled to make medical decisions on your behalf (should you not be able to do so), get a mortgage loan (or any other loan) based on a combination of your credit scores and even be entitled to be added to health benefits should one person's employer offer better benefits than the others! Having children in order to "grow the economy" sould also be considered as well. However a homosexual couple are forced to choose either adoption or artificial incemination. In considering these "options", we must consider the amount of heterosexual couples who are faced with the same as their only option to have children as well!

Call me crazy but love is love, commitment is commitment and personal life is personal life!! We need to butt out and allow ALL humans the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, reguardless of who they are knocking boots with behind closed doors!!

reply to post by dorkfish87


Don't be discouraged by this stuff, darlin'!

I am straight myself and I will defend your rights until my heart quits. I vote to legalize Gay marriage everytime, and that will never change. It's just some people have differing opinions, as usual. You can't escape it, but don't leave and stop voicing your opinion because people are foolish.

i always assumed as much. that is probably why i am so surprised that people are still having this conversation after decades.

there was this gay kid at my high school and he just loved being the center of attention at all times.

Originally posted by michaelbrux
i always assumed as much. that is probably why i am so surprised that people are still having this conversation after decades.

there was this gay kid at my high school and he just loved being the center of attention at all times.

I can't agree with you and say I am surprised because I am not, in the least. Topics like these never see an end. There's always someone who isn't happy.

Even when things seem to be resolved, such as Abortion, it's comes up again in this modern-age called the "War on Women". Now the talking faces on the MSM news are saying the Roe vs. Wade case needs to be repealed?

Birth control is being questioned again, abortion, gay marriage, etc.

Why does the government think it has the right to be so concerned with people's bedroom habits, and things they do in PRIVATE?

It's a never-ending cycle to create division and hatred throughout the nation and people eat it up everytime. I'm one of them for supporting the rights of human beings equally though.

Marriage is retarded. Seriously, why do people feel the need to marry? I'm for gay marriage because sexual orientation should be a non-issue and people should be granted equal rights and opportunities, rather than discriminated against because of certain traits out of their control, but I don't understand the hype around marriage. The divorce rate in America is something like over 60%, which seems to suggest that couples who get married actually end up hating eachother rather than loving eachother "forever."

As for homosexuality being a choice, you're right OP, people do CHOOSE to act upon their desires, but they do not choose who or what they are attracted to. The whole notion of homosexuality not being a choice isn't that they feel a compulsion to bang members of the same sex, but rather that they feel attraction to members of the same sex. It's not like we're all secretly gay and just choose not to act on those desires, is it?

Furthermore, homosexuality is likely natures way of ensuring population control. Those who do not feel attraction to the opposite sex will be unlikely to pass of their genes and have children. It's a naturally occurring thing, it has been occurring since the dawn of time, and if not for the backwards, imbecilic institution of modern religion, it would likely not have been a large problem.

Marriage is dumb, but so are people, so let the idiots get married. Love is love, attraction is not a choice.

reply to post by GreenEyedVixen


These are all distractions to keep us occupied while they secretly pass 2000 page bills eliminating our rights. These are all non-issues, but they hype them up and get people really riled up over them so to keep people from digging deeper and recognizing the REAL problems which our country is facing.

In Rome they called it Bread and Circuses. In America it's fast food and garbage television.

Marriage is, in essence, an archaic institution created and upheld by the very same tyrants who espouse the judeo-christian ethic based on property and control. It is, in effect, a tool of the feudal system.

Any breathing animal of creation (which includes human beings) can no more repress their instincts and desires than can a stone bleed. Passion and affinity is not a choice, and anyone who believes otherwise is either a closeted liar or a fool.

Individuals who naturally exhibit stereotypical homosexual features and/or mannerisms suffer cruelty and disdain by insecure, programmed individuals as a matter of course. This is evident is the fact that homosexuals frequently segregate themselves where they won't be subjectified by outsiders.

The fact that this is something you have a need to speculate on in an open forum strongly suggests that you are dominated by intense homosexual longings that you should deal with, and thus be free to persue important issues in life.

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
reply to post by GreenEyedVixen

 

These are all distractions to keep us occupied while they secretly pass 2000 page bills eliminating our rights. These are all non-issues, but they hype them up and get people really riled up over them so to keep people from digging deeper and recognizing the REAL problems which our country is facing.

In Rome they called it Bread and Circuses. In America it's fast food and garbage television.

My point exactly, my friend.

They plaster these non-issues all over the MSM to get people riled up, protesting, fighting and upset so that they can pass bills like the NDAA, the Patriot Act, etc. Keeps us busy while the real issues occur, and the real corruption takes place.

Acts like those receive little, if ANY, MSM face-time and the general population has no idea that our rights are slowly being blown out the window into the abyss.

And these aren't the only distractions! We have our televisions, internet, Netflix, countless foods, restaurants, pornography, and then the fear-instilling issues that are worshipped on the news such as Casey Anthony and Zimmerman. It's a never-ending web of distraction to cover up the lies and deceit constantly spewed by our government.

I'm not attacking anything or saying we shouldn't have these things, or the news shouldn't cover certain topics, etc - but I'm saying these things are what protects the government because we are too comfortable, happy with these distractions to do anything about the REAL issues.



Another thing I must add -

It absolutely SICKENS me that everytime I refresh this thread the OP has yet another Star. There are truly that many people on ATS that believe you should repress your emotions and sexual urges?

Can someone remind me what age we are in? I think I've forgotten....

Saying people should repress their homosexual urges... What the actual [snipped]? That is not right at all. There is no harm in two men or two women coming together and it harms no one if they marry.
Love is love is love is love. Let it be. Homophobia upsets me so much. I do not understand it in the slightest.
There is no need for more children. There is a need for a kulling of humans. The planet is dying and animals are suffering.
I just don't understand you people. Not at all. I mean, if suddenly heterosexuality was a sin, and I wasn't allowed to be with my partner... wtf?? Grrr.

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Hang on, this dude said everything I wanted to. Only, with less anger and more intelligence.

Originally posted by IrishCream
reply to post by BIGPoJo

 

Op, let me guess, you are a Christian and the married man you know who has tendancies or attractions to other men is a member of your church?! His refusal to be honest with himself, or ignore his urges as you so delicately put it, is due to his fear and shame which was "taught" to him by his church/religious beliefs. This is one of the numerous areas where organized religion (Christianity specifically) has dominated control over it's follower's lives! This is a huge issue because it denies people their free choice to live their lives fully and completely, enjoying each day and really LIVING this human experience!!

Christianity doesn't "control" ones life, faithful Christians obey God. Apostate Christians don't.
The issue about a man lying with a man and a woman lying with a woman is an abomination to God. It is a perversion of humanity's ordered creation, just as sex with animals. It is a such a degrading passion that He states that He will give them up to their own lusts and allow them to destroy themselves. Like all other sin, it starts small and soon develops into a never ending downward spiral of degradation for many who become hooked on the pleasure. One loses control and gives themselves over to every conceivable lust. Bath houses, anonymous sex, open air sex at gay parades, push for legal marriage, school instruction of homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle to the children of the 99% who are not 'gay', gay couples being allowed to raise children and pass on the belief that it is acceptable, films glorifying sex between the same sex etc etc etc. You personally may see nothing wrong with any of this - yet you cannot see how those who believe it is normal behaviour have indoctrinated you into rejecting God's view for theirs. Sin separates humanity from God, and hardens the heart against Him. Sex is always a natural and healthy urge, but one that is controllable. However, once it's shoved in the face it becomes such a powerful urge that many today will do most anything to fulfill it. It - from hours watching porn on a daily basis, hiring prostitutes, picking up strangers in bars or raping others. See, it's not about gay sex, but fundamentaliy about the powerful persuasion that sex can hold on a person. So powerful in fact, that yesterday's Reuters article about the pills containg dead babies, used as a sexual performance enhancer, is obviously already acceptable to some in society.

For years Christians have been vocal that tolerating the belief that sexual practice is grounds for "discrimation" will lead into further and further degradation. And right they were - psychiatrists, pedophilia lover grouped, and some in the gay community are actively pursuing the reclassification of pedophilia from a mental illness, arguing the point that it TOO is a sexual practice and should be protected under the same laws. The Holy Spirit is clear - sin is a downward spiral that only leads to further and further degradation as the mind continually pushes the boundaries of acceptable behaviour as they come to fully reject God. It's what happened, and is our fate yet again.

You say that God doesn't allow His Faithful to live their lives and enjoy "human experiences". If you truly feel that all of the above is something to be proud of, to relish, and to enjoy - no thanks. God protects His Faithful, for His commands are LIFE. This whole issue is not about 'gay marriage', but about the tradegy of millions being indoctrinated into such powerful lusts that they reject God because they loved the 'pleasure' and enjoyment of IT, more. It's why we are at that time, why in fifty years our society locks its doors, murders a million plus babies a year to the gods of money and career, dabble in occultism and believe that tolerance is love. It's going to get a lot worse, for Jesus states that if He didn't cut the End short, there would be NO FLESH SAVED. It's all about who controls your mind - God or the beast.

Originally posted by dorkfish87
Because of people like this op. I'm now considering leaving ATS.


I thought this would be a site that was all about denying ignorance but every other day I log on to see at least one thread where straight people deface people like me for being gay.

If you don't see me on here again, you'll know why

I hope you stay, I know that some are so blinded they can't see beyond their brain washing, but there are plenty of us that do not share their views here on ATS. Ignorance has cost humanity and this planet far too much. Things do not improve if we keep silent against tyrany.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Christianity doesn't "control" ones life, faithful Christians obey God. Apostate Christians don't.
The issue about a man lying with a man and a woman lying with a woman is an abomination to God. It is a perversion of humanity's ordered creation, just as sex with animals. It is a such a degrading passion that He states that He will give them up to their own lusts and allow them to destroy themselves. Like all other sin, it starts small and soon develops into a never ending downward spiral of degradation for many who become hooked on the pleasure. One loses control and gives themselves over to every conceivable lust. Bath houses, anonymous sex, open air sex at gay parades, push for legal marriage, school instruction of homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle to the children of the 99% who are not 'gay', gay couples being allowed to raise children and pass on the belief that it is acceptable, films glorifying sex between the same sex etc etc etc. You personally may see nothing wrong with any of this - yet you cannot see how those who believe it is normal behaviour have indoctrinated you into rejecting God's view for theirs. Sin separates humanity from God, and hardens the heart against Him. Sex is always a natural and healthy urge, but one that is controllable. However, once it's shoved in the face it becomes such a powerful urge that many today will do most anything to fulfill it. It - from hours watching porn on a daily basis, hiring prostitutes, picking up strangers in bars or raping others. See, it's not about gay sex, but fundamentaliy about the powerful persuasion that sex can hold on a person. So powerful in fact, that yesterday's Reuters article about the pills containg dead babies, used as a sexual performance enhancer, is obviously already acceptable to some in society.

Don't you dare imply that as a gay man I'm further from god. I am as close to my god as you are to yours, maybe more so since I actually follow his rules without ignoring the ones. More people are needlessly murdered in the names of yur god than for any other reason. Stop and thnk for a momment, the bible was written by men, not gods

reply to post by mainidh

Simple as that. Marriage is a useless concept. The only real reason I see two sem sex couples wanting the same thing as christians have, is -- well spite.

Christians aren't the only people in the world to get married you know, Muslims get married, Agnostics get married, Atheists get married, Wiccans get married. None of them do it to spite Christians, they do it because it's a symbol of love for their partner. If you can't understand that, then there's no hope for you to understand anything else.

If you love your partner, who cares.

WHO CARES?

Exactly, who cares? What does it harm you if two men who love each other marry each other, or two women who love each other marry each other. It doesn't hurt you at all.

Oh but bring it all up into a spotlight and make it seem as if you've hard done by.

They kinda do, it's a basic human experience that they aren't allowed to legally have because of some outdated stigma.

you cant become a nun either. Do you want to start next on how that is a problem for homosexuals? Cant become nuns. OMG thats discrimination

Lesbians can, and homosexual men can become priests. So, your argument is invalid.

just grow up and fix the issue... or you prefer being put on the spot as an icon.

I agree with the OP, now before you jump all over me I have a few questions and a few observations if I may?
First question is why do gay couples have this major need to fit into a certain category called marriage when there are plenty of titles or names they could claim as their own?

Second question is why are gay couples so combative to the point, I really should not have posted here but I did and I am awaiting a full onslaught of nastiness here?

Why has the gay agenda been slathered all over the news? Be it the internet or tv or news papers in recent years?

My personal thoughts are this, I am not a Muslim and I am not a Christian so why may I ask would I demand to be called one or the other? (I follow no faith at all)

Why stir up the pot when you can make your own stew and call it your own?


Marriage is a man and a women period.
You want to couple up either man/man or women/women don't call it marriage please.

Create your own title and be proud of it but please leave the rest of the people out of your lifestyle just like we do for you.

To the OP S&F
Regards, Iwinder