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Fed to cut funding to states with self defense laws

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posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:58 PM
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

I was actually half joking about the RICO Act. Especially in regards to a federal government withholding bribe money from a state. It is way beyond absurd to argue the federal government cannot withhold bribe money as extortion. The real problem is that the states have sold out their own people in order to accept this bribe money, but the problem goes deeper than that since this bribe money is only available to the federal government primarily through "income" taxes. So, not just the states are guilty of selling out, we the people are.

We get the government we deserve.

posted on May, 9 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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I give it a week, possibly a month after obamas re-elected this and others will pop up.

posted on May, 9 2012 @ 07:07 PM
Putting people in jail is big business in America. It is not about justice. It is about revenue generation.

posted on May, 9 2012 @ 07:21 PM
And they keep on creeping... creeping in on you and me any way they can get it.

posted on May, 9 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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Well at least we finally got the answer to the quesion why media was hyping this story while ignoring others far more severe. This was the perfect one to make a law to removes peoples rights to defend themselves, by angling it such that the perpetrator looked like the victim, and getting peoples feelings involved about defending the victim.

posted on May, 9 2012 @ 08:48 PM
Here is the text of the bill:

I believe it is still in subcommittee.

It "urges" Florida and other states to repeal their "Stand Your Ground" laws.

edit on 5/9/2012 by OblivionGate because: (no reason given)

posted on May, 9 2012 @ 08:53 PM
Star for you Oblivion, thanks for adding the link.

Looks like this is merely a letter of condemnation and an urge for Legislation to no consider voting on laws concerning Stand Your Ground.

Doesn't seem to be anything solid, here.

posted on May, 9 2012 @ 10:11 PM
Okey, I'm curious about something. They are "honoring" this travon before we even know what happened, before the trial with this bill that is basically strong arming states that have self defense laws? What's going to happen if Mr. Zimmerman is found not guilty and was defending himself? What then?

posted on May, 9 2012 @ 10:30 PM
So thats why the media and obama made a big deal of a kid getting shot.
It wasnt a reaction, it was a cherry picked story to back up their second amendment wedge.

posted on May, 9 2012 @ 11:11 PM

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

"...deaths due to self-defense have tripled since the law was enacted"...said Reps. Raul Grijalva of Arizona and Keith Ellison of Minnesota

I'm betting this line was delivered without any supporting data.

Actually the data is supported, and relatively factual. It's also good news. It means people are beginning to stop being afraid to defend themselves. Which is how we should all be allowed to live.


posted on May, 10 2012 @ 06:32 AM
Having guns around, in case the Nazis come or your goverment turns on you is a good thing. However in times of peace measures and regulations need to be taken, so that those weapons dont kill the citizens. In a hundred years about one million Americans die due to gun violence within their country. In one single year thats about 10.000 American dead. Afghanistan after 10 years has to still reach that mark.

To sum it up, arms usage should be organised in trained militias with equipment fit for its intended purpose, such as rifles anti-material rifles etc. AND kept off the street as much as possible . Sadly many states have it backwards. You are only allowed to have pistols to basically shoot at other citizens, but not rifles for a scenario in which you might have to fend off a domestic or foreign illegal takeover.
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posted on May, 10 2012 @ 06:49 AM
well, I think these laws are great. There is a sense of justice to thought that if attacked, you can defend yourself.

from wiki

Effect on crime rates

The law's effect on crime rates is disputed between supporters and critics of the law. The third edition of More Guns, Less Crime (University of Chicago Press, 2010) by John Lott provides the only published, refereed academic study on these laws.[5] The research shows that states adopting “Stand Your Ground”/"Castle doctrine" laws reduced murder rates by 9 percent and overall violent crime by 11 percent,

and that occurs even after accounting for a range of other factors such as national crime trends, law enforcement variables (arrest, execution, and imprisonment rates), income and poverty measures (poverty and unemployment rates, per capita real income, as well as income maintenance, retirement, and unemployment payments), demographic changes (broken down by race, gender and age), and the national average changes in crime rates from year-to-year and average differences across states (the fixed year and state effects).

Florida state representative Dennis Baxley, an author of the law, notes that crime rates in Florida dropped significantly between 2005, when the law was passed, and 2012.

from politifact

Crime rates in Florida have dropped since 'stand your ground,' says Dennis Baxley

"We’ve had a dramatic drop in violent crime since this law (‘stand your ground’) has been in effect."

Dennis Baxley on Wednesday, March 21st, 2012

An author of Florida’s "stand your ground" legislation has been defending the law on national television, warning that it may not have anything to do with the recent death of Trayvon Martin.

I think they want to remove these laws so you are more at the mercy of the law instead of being served by it.

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posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Exodus 22:2 "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;

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