reply to post by Germanicus
reply to post by Germanicus
OK, did not ask to condemn, but to know your mindset. True Progressives are a tiny part of the population and many who call themselves that are just
old fashioned leaches. You seem serious about your belief.
Have you considered the history of the many attempts at this while forming your ideology?
Which systems lead to progress and prosperity for the most for instance? To date that has never been a Socialist Society.
The reason is simple enough. If we wake in the morning knowing that a Nanny State will take care of your needs, you have no motivation to do anything
If we work for the State and cannot be fired, we (Humans) take the path of least resistance. The end result is apathy in the workplace and in our
The reason it will not work any better in the future than it has in the past is we are Human.
The end result will always be a self-described intellectual elite who reserve a lavish lifestyle for themselves, believing they deserve it. They see
no problem with letting the illiterate masses live on their handouts, since their narcissistic attitudes won't allow them to see the value in anyone
they see as inferior. True Marxists always see everyone else like Cattle to be herded and controlled as they are incapable of making their own
That always leads to a lapdog class, sometimes called Party Members who serve the Masters directly and get special rewards to insure their loyalty,
while the illiterate masses are completely controlled out of fear they might rise up against the elitist Masters.
Each new generation of Progressives, being their very nature is that of a narcissist, thinks the reason it always fails is they personally were not in
control. They completely ignore the fact that without Freedom, no matter what risks it presents, The Human Animal with either sink into a state of
apathy and depression or rise up and fight back against the oh so kind, handouts from the Progressive Marxist Elite.
I will grant you that a system like you describe can work well in small populations, but it breaks down quickly as the size of the population expands.
In a small community the lazy butts and the criminals are easy to deal with, but in a large population they drag the whole concept down. For instance
the alcoholism, horrible work habits, horrible quality work when they did bother and apathy that destroyed the old Soviet. Standing in line for hours
for a daily needs tears people down. Being free to create and free to excel by working hard build us up. Living like sardines in small spaces deemed
good enough by the elite from their ivory towers destroys motivation.
Equality is a false concept and always has been. Part of society will never participate no matter how grandiose the idea's. Those who would excel
given a chance will stagnate under a system where there is no reward for going the extra mile. That has always been the downfall of the Marxist
Common sense dictates you look to history for truth and you will find the system we had in the Western World post WW2 is the most successful to date.
Reality is that to go back to that would have the same net result. You have to ignore truth to think that the systems that brought their people down
and made them dependent on the State work. They simply do not and history has proven it true over and over again.
I am surprised you realize Hitler was a Progressive, albeit a mad one. Progressives generally deny he shared ideology with Stalin and Mao.
Just working for the State leads a person down the path to corruption and giving the State all power, always ends up the same way.