The Rise Of Socialism And How Capitalism Ran Out Of Other Peoples Money.

Iam with you brother just like this guy would be




Power to the people!!

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
The first thing you need to do if you want to be taken seriously would be to learn where apostrophes go. Apostrophes indicate a word is either possessive or a contraction of two words. Plural words never have an apostrophe.

"There are millions of us", not "There are million's of us".

"Our numbers increase every hour", not "Our number's increase every hour".

"The Capitalists have run out of other peoples money", not "The Capitalist's have run out of other peoples money".

"Who will cry for the billionaire's"... the billionaire's what? What possession of the billionaire are we crying about?

Get the point? Seems your public school was too busy indoctrinating you to give a crap about your education.

Beside the fact that you're just plain wrong.

Thanks buddy Somebody already pointed that out but not in so much detail. Not that rude either. Repetition is a good thing though hey.

The Billionaires possesion would be their Oil Industry.

And apart from saying Im "just plain wrong". Do you have anything to add? At all? Or are just the resident apostrophe nazi?

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Ha! Im not that bad.

Yet.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
What we are witnessing in Europe is the failure of politics. It's impossible for any politician of any party to deal with the current financial mess. It's out of the nation states control. So you can have all these parties promising to make things better or stick it to the banks, but in the end they will fail to deliver.

Politician promises constituent he will bring change. Constituent votes for Politician, Politician gets into power and realises he has no money to deliver the change. In fact all there is an un payable debt facing them. So, the change promised by the politician can not be kept.

National politics can not cope with a global financial crisis.

I agree with what you are saying. In my opinion the European 'Socialist' Parties are not socialist at all. But I think its good that we are seeing people move away from traditional major parties.

And I think Nationalization is the key. We can solve everything with Nationalization. Instead of taxing the rich we just take their stuff. Its an emergency after all. The Oil Industry is a great place to start. We should Nationalize all energy actually. There are solutions but they are not capitalist solutions is all. We just have to agree to vote for them.

For all of its faults, and the corruption of crony capitalism, capitalism has by far been the greatest force for the rise in living standards for billions in the world. Even the UN and the IMO accept this.

Socialism and communism are a slow economic death spiral where competition, effort and success are envied, heavily taxed and ultimately defeated.

Originally posted by bulldetector
For all of its faults, and the corruption of crony capitalism, capitalism has by far been the greatest force for the rise in living standards for billions in the world. Even the UN and the IMO accept this.

Socialism and communism are a slow economic death spiral where competition, effort and success are envied, heavily taxed and ultimately defeated.

The UN is a Capitalist organisation. The UN and NATO are tools of Imperialism. And 'upward mobility' is a scam.

And I dont think Socialism has ever had a real chance. There are many forms of socialism. Just pick a flavour. Its all better than Capitalism. Plus the Capitalists have run out of other peoples money. Every major Western Nation is pretty much bankrupt. Its time to roll the dice.

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I'll try one more time. I said CRONY capitalism and I'm not all that sure you understand that. It doesn't matter what ism you put on it, we don't "own" the money. If the money belonged to the taxpayer, taking said money from us (if we protested) would require physical assault. But they've convinced us to keep our money in their banks and report every last cent of our income to the government so they can tax it and TAKE it to their satisfaction. And when that isn't enough to pay their bills, they simply print more money and it works the same as a pickpocket taking handfuls of cash out of your pocket without you even noticing. That means it really isn't yours.

Nationalizing the oil industry wouldn't help (not that it'll happen anyway) because all governments, regardless of the handle you put on them, are in bed with their corporate sponsors and they wouldn't turn on their best buds like that. They'd just put those buds over whatever agency you think might save our bacon and we'd still be the B in the BLT sandwich.

Originally posted by babybunnies
You're going to march on the Governments of the world but can't sort out the proper use of an apostrophe?

You are a pilkunnussija

A person with exceptional and unnecessary attention to detail. Noun- A person who believes it is their destiny to stamp out all spelling and punctuation mistakes at the cost of popularity, self-esteem and mental well-being.

You read the thread, probably realized you had nothing to add to it but yet felt the utter need to correct the authors grammar. I have a pet hate for any forum users who feel the need to correct grammar or try add a 'whitty' one liner on threads they dont agree with, as such

Originally posted by frazzle
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I'll try one more time. I said CRONY capitalism and I'm not all that sure you understand that. It doesn't matter what ism you put on it, we don't "own" the money. If the money belonged to the taxpayer, taking said money from us (if we protested) would require physical assault. But they've convinced us to keep our money in their banks and report every last cent of our income to the government so they can tax it and TAKE it to their satisfaction. And when that isn't enough to pay their bills, they simply print more money and it works the same as a pickpocket taking handfuls of cash out of your pocket without you even noticing. That means it really isn't yours.

Nationalizing the oil industry wouldn't help (not that it'll happen anyway) because all governments, regardless of the handle you put on them, are in bed with their corporate sponsors and they wouldn't turn on their best buds like that. They'd just put those buds over whatever agency you think might save our bacon and we'd still be the B in the BLT sandwich.

If Fidel Castro was as defeatist as you Cuba would still have fat capitalist pigs like Batista running things. You talk in the realities of Capitalism. They dont apply to me. I assume you are American because Nationalization is no longer some crazy fantasy in Europe. Austerity makes people open to new idea's. America will come around when Austerity hits hard. American's will be begging for socialism when Austerity is felt.

And I understand the fiat money system. In my opinion though,if I work for money,it is mine. My money. I own it. I can spend it. And they dont have to assault me to take my money,they just tax me and then give my money to the IMF.

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Germanicus: And I understand the fiat money system. In my opinion though,if I work for money,it is mine. My money. I own it. I can spend it. And they dont have to assault me to take my money,they just tax me and then give my money to the IMF.

I am certainly open to new ideas ~ and old ideas, as well. But if they can take your earnings from you and give it to the IMF, how can you claim to own it?

As for old ideas, if all the states had followed North Dakota's banking methodology we'd all be a lot better off. Setting up a state entity that funds small community banks rather than propping up the too big to fail gang isn't a political ideology, its the insane currency policies of this country and the world that need revamping.

allianceforajustsociety.org...

The Bank of North Dakota is an important example. Founded in 1919 in response to a credit crisis that threatened that state’s agrarian economy, the Bank of North Dakota is now a revered institution credited with helping keep the state solvent and growing while many others are struggling with the effects of the current recession.

North Dakota’s state-owned bank takes North Dakota money and puts in back to work for small businesses and communities throughout the state. It does this by partnering with the state’s private banking sector, who in turn provide loans to small businesses. Through the capital it provides, the Bank of North Dakota generates jobs – one factor in the state having the lowest unemployment rate in the country.

On top of all this, the bank generates a profit for the state – and North Dakota was one of the only states that did not have a revenue shortfall this year. And its community banking sector is thriving. In contrast to most other states, there have been no bank failures in North Dakota since the recession began.

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That sounds awesome. Community Banks or Credit Unions are great things. I like anything that is owned by a community. Like the Greenbay Packers. That seems to work well. I think the biggest problem with Governments today is that we feel no ownership over them. Governments tell us what the issues are. They dont listen to us.

And I agree that the fiat system must go. I think the best way to get rid of it and start again is by granting massive debt refief and starting again.

It will be the Capitalist that kills Capitalism. The IMF and Austerity have turned more people to Socialism than Chomsky has recently. If the rich dont want to help and pay their fair share then we will just Nationalize everything that they own. That should help. If the corporatist oligarchy wants to up the ante I say bring it. Nationalization is a Royal Flush. We hold the cards,not them. They bluff. We will play the man,not the ball. Nationalization is what will destroy the Capitalist. Austerity will make Nationalization look great.

Originally posted by boncho

Well then, you are going to have crony socialism, state socialism and corporate socialism. If you don't get that the very system is broken, then you can't fix it with a bandaid of some other guise....

Dont worry B.

We will use "other peoples" glue,to fix the Worlds problems.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by boncho

Well then, you are going to have crony socialism, state socialism and corporate socialism. If you don't get that the very system is broken, then you can't fix it with a bandaid of some other guise....

Dont worry B.

We will use "other peoples" glue,to fix the Worlds problems.

I think we should Nationalize the Glue Industry after we Nationalize the Oil Industry. Especially if it can fix the worlds problems.

Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by boncho

Well then, you are going to have crony socialism, state socialism and corporate socialism. If you don't get that the very system is broken, then you can't fix it with a bandaid of some other guise....

Dont worry B.

We will use "other peoples" glue,to fix the Worlds problems.

I think we should Nationalize the Glue Industry after we Nationalize the Oil Industry.

Especially if it can fix the worlds problems.

I say Privatize the Federal Reserve..............

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Ha!

Too late.

Generally speaking Republican/Conservatives (the chief supporters of capitalism) are in command of governments that usually end up in recessions, and generally speaking when recessions hit Socialist parties and ideals with the help of voters are voted into power.

There was 3 conservative Republican presidents in office before the great depression hit. Harding, Coolidge, Hoover then the great depression hit in the first year of Hoovers administration, he was ousted from office in 1933 and we didn't have another Republican president till 1953 that's 20 years without a GOP as president.

I'm not blaming Republican presidents for recessions or depressions but GWB was in office before the latest huge depression/recession.

So when the economy tanks (or fails the people) the people gravitate towards Socialism. This has been seen time and time again.

Eventually socialism and capitalism will run out of other peoples money to spend. How about lets drop the money. Think resource based economy, think the Venus Project.

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I agree. But the left turns to the Democrats for their 'socialism' and the Democrats are no socialists. We need to turn away from the major parties. Im glad this is happening in Europe. I think it will take untill 2016 for Americans to turn away from the lies of the major parties.

When American's do turn to Socialism it will be easy. The Founding Fathers were socialist by many people standards. The knew that incorporation was a privilege not a right. They knew corporation's had to be kept in check The Founding Fathers ensured that corporations did things that were in the public interest. Share holders were allowed to profit only as a means to an end. I think Nationalizing the Oil Industry shouldnt be too hard on the constitution at all really.

Originally posted by asen_y2k
Eventually socialism and capitalism will run out of other peoples money to spend. How about lets drop the money. Think resource based economy, think the Venus Project.

Money is practical.

How about this. Think 'Resource Nationalist' You are a socialist comrade and you didnt even know. Im a bit of a Resource Nationalist myself. Im all for Nationalizing our resources. I say we start with Nationalizing the Oil Industry.