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Originally posted by Jim Scott
The existence of Jesus is the most proven historical event in human history.edit on 5/8/2012 by Jim Scott because: Modification.
A pious fraud can be counterfeiting a miracle or falsely attributing a sacred text to a biblical figure due to the belief that the "end justifies the means", in this case the end of increasing faith by whatever means available
Originally posted by wildtimes
I agree with you....like I said...studied Wicca....believe in the Goddess...and I believe the pagan religions had just as much truth as the "Christians" do (if not more...way more).....
You don't feel that this disqualifies you from having a purely objective dialogue?
Of course, declaring you "are not defensive" is defensive. It was your comment "Is that disallowed on ATS?" is undeniably defensive. Why would you ask such a question simply because I am asking what is accomplished by "exposing" any fraudulence to Jesus' historicity? Indeed, instead of addressing the vast majority of my remarks regarding Jesus' mythology, you insisted to me that this was not what you want to discuss, and of course you do not have to, but it does come off as and attempt at controlling.
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Originally posted by wildtimes
The nativity yarn is a concatenation of nonsense. The genealogies of Jesus, both Matthew's version and Luke's, are pious fiction. Nazareth did not exist in the 1st century AD – the area was a burial ground of rock-cut tombs.
Evidence for the existence of Nazareth in and before 1st century AD: www.nazarethvillage.com...
Sorry, Charlie.
Which also may be an indicator that no other statements made would hold water, either.
The existence of Jesus is the most proven historical event in human history.edit on 5/8/2012 by Jim Scott because: Modification.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by wildtimes
Heck, as kid, when I saw "2001, a Space Odyssey," I thought it was a true story!
What pagan goddess was a virgin ... lots of people say it but there is no such thing.
Regardless of how many children she had or how many times she had made love, Aphrodite could bathe in the sea and become a virgin again. Source
It is a fact that whilst the Church teaches the myth very well to children, when the children become adults and question the myth many tend to replace belief with disbelief. Yet those who lead the Church know very well that what they teach is a myth. Dr John Robinson, Bishop of Woolwich, England, tried to initiate a movement towards the recognition of this fact (see 'Honest to God') and to lead the Church towards a recognition that it needed to teach a true story and, if you like, 'reinvent' Christianity to make it meaningful again but he was quickly slapped down.
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by troubleshooter
What pagan goddess was a virgin ... lots of people say it but there is no such thing.
Never mind the exotics.
Artemis (Diana to the Romans) was a virgin.
Her sister Athena (Pallas to the Romans) was a virgin.
And surprisingly, so was the third of Zeus's divine daughters:
Regardless of how many children she had or how many times she had made love, Aphrodite could bathe in the sea and become a virgin again. Source
Hestia the hearth-goddess, daughter of Cronos and Rhea, was also a virgin. And the triune goddess Hecate is a virgin in one of her aspects.
And that's just the Greeks. Here are a few more: Virgin Goddesses
It is impossible to really know what those figure represent.
Where they created entirely for entertainment purposes? Were the stories added to at a much later date where details were filled in to fill up a book etc.?
Virgin births do occur in nature.
Then there is the question of how the first human was formed and came into being because it could not have been in the traditional way and has science explained this?