Fukushima fuel pool is urgent national security issue for America, 'top threat facing humanity'

reply to post by crankyoldman


Yes, what you are referring to is the Common Spent Fuel Pool (CSFP) and it holds many more times the amount of spent fuel than the R4 SFP. That building however, does nto seem to have been damaged by either earthquake, tsunami or explosion (even though it is right next to R4, just to the west) and seems to have held up more so than the reactors that have exploded.

So far as I know, the CSFP is still at about 90% capacity:



The other reactors have spent fuel pools as well:



Caltech .pdf

I may be niave in my belief but i found it very difficult to believe that there is an intentional plan going on.

If this pool is as dangerous as it is being promoted as, surely they would have security measures in place to keep containment at safe levels.

I have read the above posts about depopulation cycles and surely biological disease say, airborne vairety would be a far more effective way of depopulation without the environmental damage that nuclear waste would cause.

i just struggle to see the logic in wiping out bilions of people with nuclear waste. It really does not make sense.

Originally posted by Unity_99
Furthermore I know why.

Its all their NWO, which doesnt mean, fascism. Its an ancient system of depopulation and cycles.

The astrology overhead. ie this year, actually from Sept 2011 to June 2012, is their long awaited sign of revelations 9/11, (elenin), Rosh Hoshana, blowing the horn for their "king" and yestrday, the allignment where El Nath, the galactic anti center star (or anti christ star to them) illuminated Venus (their lucifer symbol) and this will lead into configurations of stars and planets and pleiades later this month and lastly in June the Venus transit.

Now, all of this to them is the sign for the harvest. This is a group that really resents humans. They use us as cattle, see as as slaves, and are threatened by us if we wake up, so in every cycle they depopulate, re-educate, take away learning/replace paradigms, and for every astrolgoical (12 signs) house, that the sun passes through, they have their own new religion(s), sun god. The age of pisces is ending.

So, depopulation is being done by radiation, and they all seem quite content to let it happen.

Are we?

The second sun/son? This could be a person's chart even, but, there is a kind of suspicion I have that its nuclear fission.

Their atom radiation technology is Mr Satan to them, the opposite of the sun, well anyway. Its certainly one of my theories and even what I think nibiru is all about.

edit on 7-5-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

Oh please. . .stop it with the whole NWO caused the reactors to fail crap. Seriously. Pure bull snip.

Tell me how the NWO will survive the pending disaster. They breathe the same air we all do.

reply to post by amongus


I was thinking of this as well, unless they have some bases underground that create oxygen and expel CO2 without letting any radiation in, then everyone is pretty much out of luck.

... and if we assume that they do have that, they'd have no problem starting a nuclear war to do the job. But that hasn't happened, so therefore I don't know if such a thing exists (plus it's hard for me to comprehend what would be done with all the CO2 that builds up for the rest of everyone's lives down there.


Also if they want to 'enslave us', they're risking a total ecological collapse which could just as easily eliminate the entire human race.

I vote we throw in a few hundred kilos of C4 and be done with it.

I'm tired of this story being a source of fear porn.

Originally posted by amongus

Originally posted by Unity_99
Furthermore I know why.

Its all their NWO, which doesnt mean, fascism. Its an ancient system of depopulation and cycles.

The astrology overhead. ie this year, actually from Sept 2011 to June 2012, is their long awaited sign of revelations 9/11, (elenin), Rosh Hoshana, blowing the horn for their "king" and yestrday, the allignment where El Nath, the galactic anti center star (or anti christ star to them) illuminated Venus (their lucifer symbol) and this will lead into configurations of stars and planets and pleiades later this month and lastly in June the Venus transit.

Now, all of this to them is the sign for the harvest. This is a group that really resents humans. They use us as cattle, see as as slaves, and are threatened by us if we wake up, so in every cycle they depopulate, re-educate, take away learning/replace paradigms, and for every astrolgoical (12 signs) house, that the sun passes through, they have their own new religion(s), sun god. The age of pisces is ending.

So, depopulation is being done by radiation, and they all seem quite content to let it happen.

Are we?

The second sun/son? This could be a person's chart even, but, there is a kind of suspicion I have that its nuclear fission.

Their atom radiation technology is Mr Satan to them, the opposite of the sun, well anyway. Its certainly one of my theories and even what I think nibiru is all about.

edit on 7-5-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

Oh please. . .stop it with the whole NWO caused the reactors to fail crap. Seriously. Pure bull snip.

Tell me how the NWO will survive the pending disaster. They breathe the same air we all do.

You are assuming the NWO is at the top of the food chain - they are not. Those executing the acts are stooges, those in true power stay hidden and will not only not be affected by a total systemic collapse, they will greatly benefit from it - at least temporarily. You are right in that the NWO names people toss about are folks who would not benefit, but they are not in charge, not now, not ever. Many also, incorrectly assume, that the Named NWO Order folks are fully briefed via some meeting - the are no more briefed on what is actually happening then a infantry man is. You be surprised how easy it is to get people to sell out another human: billions have died in wars fought over fiat currency and assets disguised as religious wars and governmental wars. Getting a human to sell out a mass of people who's names they do not know is easier then shooting said people.

Nuclear power plants have been placed in truly dangerous spots, on known earthquake faults, in tsunami zones, in population centers, and in some cases all three: are mfg.'s of such things dumb? Or is their agenda not one of electricity?

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
reply to post by crankyoldman

 

Yes, what you are referring to is the Common Spent Fuel Pool (CSFP) and it holds many more times the amount of spent fuel than the R4 SFP. That building however, does nto seem to have been damaged by either earthquake, tsunami or explosion (even though it is right next to R4, just to the west) and seems to have held up more so than the reactors that have exploded.

So far as I know, the CSFP is still at about 90% capacity:



The other reactors have spent fuel pools as well:



Caltech .pdf

reply to post by jadedANDcynical


The impending problem though is the difficulty in accessing the sources of radiation emission right now, with corium somewhere below the containment vessels in the case of three of the Daiichi units, and likely sunk into the very bed rock, and there is the building Unit 4 with its storage pool of fuel rods from multiple reactors teetoring precariously. At the moment they cannot contain what has already gone south.

If say a tornado strikes a direct hit on the power plant structures remaining, or a substantial earthquake hits the Daiichi, or Unit 4 does collapse...then that building you speak of will be inaccessible and the cooling processes may well break down eventually and maybe frighteningly fast. Then we I think we can say we have a much more serious source of radioactive emissions. Probably overkill so far as extinction events go.

reply to post by NuclearMitochondria


That would be easy to do in an underground bunker.
All you would need to do is get rid of your waste.
You can grow food and the plants would produce your oxygen and filter out your CO2. You can even produce your own water, remember the thread with the wind turbine that produces water from the air well you can set up something similar.

reply to post by crankyoldman


The spent fuel needs to be cooled continually for years before it reaches a point that it can then be transferred top a dry cask (to the tune of ~$1million/cask), otherwise it heats up.

Depending on the makeup of the assemblies in each bundle, a different max temp will be reached. In nearly all cases, though, this temperature is above the melting point of concrete.

Fukushima is sited on sandstone/mudstone and it is also riddled with underground streams.

The above two points are the reason why we can't just bury it in sand/concrete/lead. Should the cooling stop, the fuel assemblies will melt through whatever they are sitting in and should that occur, a massive steam explosion wuold take place once the molten blob of corium hit groundwater.

That would be a VERY. BAD. THING.

Lofting megatons of radioactive dust into the atmosphere to circle the globe. At this point (as Wrabbit suggests) nuking the site might be preferable to letting all of that dust/radionuclides be ejected sky high.

The only thing is, you would have to make sure the majority of the nastiest of nasties are within the vaporization zone, otherwise you're in the same boat as if you did nothing and let it melt down (then go boom in a steam explosion) in the aforementioned fashion.

reply to post by amongus


Don't try to reason with this member. She is a pathological liar, else extremely delusional.

"a friend" tells her information quite often...I wonder if this "friend" is an alter she hears in her head...

Not kidding about this. This member is just nuts.

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
reply to post by crankyoldman

 

The spent fuel needs to be cooled continually for years before it reaches a point that it can then be transferred top a dry cask (to the tune of ~$1million/cask), otherwise it heats up.

Depending on the makeup of the assemblies in each bundle, a different max temp will be reached. In nearly all cases, though, this temperature is above the melting point of concrete.

Fukushima is sited on sandstone/mudstone and it is also riddled with underground streams.

The above two points are the reason why we can't just bury it in sand/concrete/lead. Should the cooling stop, the fuel assemblies will melt through whatever they are sitting in and should that occur, a massive steam explosion wuold take place once the molten blob of corium hit groundwater.

That would be a VERY. BAD. THING.

Lofting megatons of radioactive dust into the atmosphere to circle the globe. At this point (as Wrabbit suggests) nuking the site might be preferable to letting all of that dust/radionuclides be ejected sky high.

The only thing is, you would have to make sure the majority of the nastiest of nasties are within the vaporization zone, otherwise you're in the same boat as if you did nothing and let it melt down (then go boom in a steam explosion) in the aforementioned fashion.

So it seems, depending on the state of decay of each Spent Fuel pile, and its stacking relative to each rod, a stop in cooling could result in an explosion along the lines of 4's potential issue. The assumption is that cooling in those areas will go on without issue: no power issues, no degradation issues, no man power issues, until sometime in the future: that alone is crazy to me, as one should at least remove all removable threats. My imagination says "what if all the power goes out, and some or all the water gets tossed from each of these pools with 4 taking the lead...?"

The idea of Nuking it is funny, no two people can agree on the time of day, I can't imagine the three stooges like argument over which country will drop the thing, of course it'd have to be a country that admits to having one. On the one hand dropping it is a disgrace, on the other it's a source of pride.

Would it at least be possible to drop a "well cap" SFP 4 to at least keep spillage, from tossing via a quake, from happening (adds more weight I know)? Flooding the base with concrete to support the pool? Of course logistics are obscene. It is so funny how global crises in movies are met with big meetings with all the interested parties, but in reality, a global crises in our day is being handled by the bankrupt company that caused the problem. Man is that priceless irony.

Good thread - but no solution offered. So ...

THE SOLUTION IS TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES, NOT SHUTDOWN.

SHUTTING THEM DOWN only makes them less safe by removing one of the critical power sources (Nuc, grid, generators).

The ONLY solution I know is THORIUM. PLEASE help - UPGRADE the reactors to a safer fuel that can eliminate both the older dangerous fuel as well as the highly toxic waste.

Meanwhile...that comment earns this slightly spam'ish emphasis:

Thats a interesting thought,
what happens to bacteria and disease if it is hammered by radiation? could this create a new super bug?

reply to post by crankyoldman


If Pool 4 building collapsed , soon enough the site would have to be abandoned due to the insane radiation levels. That means no-one is there to attend the other pools, to keep them replenished with water. This has been pointed out in articles I've read at any rate - in other words, eventually the whole site could "go". Reactor 3 building/pool is in a right state as it is, and that one has the MOX fuel in it.

It's about time many of you have woke up to nuclear power ! Many will die in their hurricane partys many others that died await them in hell !, good ridence..now research what you can do to survive while you can . Time is short if the mox pool burns, if it doesnt you have more time to spare. Who knows what will happen I sure dont. If it does burn
it doesnt take a brain scientist to fiqure out whats next ! The Gov. and TV aint your buddy get off your donkeys ass and use your own brain for once. Research ! Media is a bunch of bought off scum bag liers and they will sell left over snow shovels , when there is no possiblity of snow showers. Wake up!!!!!!!!

reply to post by reitze


Two reasons we won't see thorium as fuel for nuclear reactors in general use anytime soon.

1). Profit motive. They are more expensive to run then conventional nuclear power plants running uranium, plutonium you know the regular 1000 year plus radioactive waste producers.

2). Profit motive. They are not compatible with a nuclear weapons program which plutonium fueled reactor operations are. BTW although the USA were not aware of it at the time Japan's interest in adopting nuclear energy was primarily motivated by the need to have nuclear weapons of their own. A not generally known fact, and not something the Japanese people were aware of either as it happens.

While India trials a thorium reactor, it is most likely part of a strategy to win over the general public to nuclear energy in general, just as Japan's nuclear energy program pushed by the US was adopted initially at least by Japan's elite to the ends of their own agenda which was to soften up the general public to a nuclear weapons program.

Originally posted by Tallone
reply to post by reitze

 

Two reasons we won't see thorium as fuel for nuclear reactors in general use anytime soon.

1). Profit motive. They are more expensive to run then conventional nuclear power plants running uranium, plutonium you know the regular 1000 year plus radioactive waste producers.

2). Profit motive. They are not compatible with a nuclear weapons program which plutonium fueled reactor operations are. BTW although the USA were not aware of it at the time Japan's interest in adopting nuclear energy was primarily motivated by the need to have nuclear weapons of their own. A not generally known fact, and not something the Japanese people were aware of either as it happens.

While India trials a thorium reactor, it is most likely part of a strategy to win over the general public to nuclear energy in general, just as Japan's nuclear energy program pushed by the US was adopted initially at least by Japan's elite to the ends of their own agenda which was to soften up the general public to a nuclear weapons program.

The main reason why thorium isn't used is because it doesn't appear in deposits that can be mined. Uranium can be mined. Thorium is found in areas where rare earth is found (I believe). To get any quantity of thorium 1000's of tons of earth must be refined. I don't know exactly how much.

I understood that uranium leads to enriched plutonium and is desirable for creating nuclear weapons but the fact is, you can't really get at a usable amount of thorium.

Sad but true.

Originally posted by IncognitoGhostman
reply to post by NuclearMitochondria

 

That would be easy to do in an underground bunker.

All you would need to do is get rid of your waste.

you don't need to 'get rid' of it. you use number two as worm food (and then feed the worms to your chickens which then lay your eggs) then you use that processed worm food (castings) as the most awesome fertilizer for your food crops. urine is also a very good fertilizer. of course, you can't be using urine if it's contaminated with pharmaceuticals though.

You can grow food and the plants would produce your oxygen and filter out your CO2. You can even produce your own water, remember the thread with the wind turbine that produces water from the air well you can set up something similar.

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got a link for that water producing turbine thread? i would really appreciate a u2u on that.