Why do you like or hate pitbulls?, page 2


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reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 05:52 PM by pierregustavetoutant
I don't "like" or "hate" the breed. I just like to look at reality. Dog breeds are not a natural phenomenon. They are basically genetically altered wolves. Altered by humans over millenia. They were bred for specific reasons. Dog breeds created as "companion" or "family pet" animals is a very recent development.
Pit Bulls, as their name suggests, were specifically bred for aggression and to maximize tissue damage in the act of pit fighting, for gambling purposes.

Several quantifiable reports and studies have been done, despite protests to the contrary. Pit Bulls have a severely disproportionate amount of responsibility for dog attacks that result in permanent damage or death. Actuarial liability experts unanimously agree on the major liability that comes with the breed. These people don't get involved with "profiling". They deal in pure numbers and facts to best cover their employer or clients' legal behind.

Would the defenders of pit bulls claim that pointers are not genetically predisposed to be good hunting dogs or that border collies are not predisposed to be good herding dogs? If they concede that, then it is hard to deny that pit bulls are genetically predisposed to be good fighting dogs.

One also has to understand the nature of the dog. It makes us fuzzy inside to think that our dogs are just nice and loyal. Truth is they are pack animals displaying pack behavior. The very large majority of dog breeds are bred to be submissive to their human overlords. I do love my lab, but I also understand her behavior is indicative of an animal bred to be submissive to me. Pit Bulls were "reverse engineered", so to speak, in their breeding process to have the proper amount of aggression for the gambling pits. Bulldogs were originally used but didn't always fight and didnt provide enough bloodshed for the spectators. Hence the breeding of a more aggressive and destructive animal.

And it is always, ALWAYS, the family dog "who would never bite or attack anyone and never displayed that kind of behavior before." Hear it all the time.

A secondary issue is, in general, the people who are attracted to the breed. Thugs, hooligans, and irresponsible buffoons of all races, ethnicities, and sexes love to own pit bulls.

Even if the breed is no more likely to attack than another breed, which I doubt, they absolutely create major damage and they are well known to be very willful. While chihauhas are aggressive little $h1+s, you can kick it, problem solved. If a dalmation bites you, you go to the hospital and get a bandage. If a pit bull attacks, you are much more likely to see permanent maiming and scarring or worse.

Bottom line: Pit Bull ownership should require training and licensing as you are dealing with a dangerous, "special needs" animal.

Also, owners should be criminally liable for anything their dog does, regardless of breed.

edit on 7-5-2012 by pierregustavetoutant because: sp




reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 05:53 PM by jiggerj
Originally posted by Iwinder
reply to
post by captaintyinknots


Pics of a full grown pit bull are honest as this is what the thread is about, pics of nice soft furry puppies does nothing to the OP's post but mock it.

If I wanted I could post a picture of a grizzly bear cub and everyone here would go ahhhhhhh so sweet.
Now go hiking in BC the next year and meet that little fuzz ball of a Grizzly on a trail and that will be your last vision in life.
Regards, Iwinder


Awww, let's not turn this into a dogfight. All opinions and pics welcome here. So, down boy, DOWN!


reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 06:00 PM by Iwinder
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by Iwinder
reply to
post by captaintyinknots


Pics of a full grown pit bull are honest as this is what the thread is about, pics of nice soft furry puppies does nothing to the OP's post but mock it.

If I wanted I could post a picture of a grizzly bear cub and everyone here would go ahhhhhhh so sweet.
Now go hiking in BC the next year and meet that little fuzz ball of a Grizzly on a trail and that will be your last vision in life.
Regards, Iwinder


My point was your post had pictures of fuzzy little fur balls and yes that will get eveyones heart going, the OP posted pictures of very aggressive looking adult pit bulls.
Fair enough that I get your point, and you certainly made me think here.
However I stand by my first post that they are bred to kill/fight/ ect.....
As other posters have said here, I have never ever seen a Pit Bull with an owner whom is older than 25 years old and just by looking you can tell they don't have a pot to piss in money wise.
What that means is after their strut around the neigbourhood they go back to their cheap rental and toss the dog out back our in a small room.

There is no show of love nor control or a desire to do so.
Ontario was experiencing so many vicious attacks and kills by pit bulls they banned them and rightly so.

The statistics speak volumes.
Regards, Iwinder

so, propaganda is only accepted when it fits your argument? Choosing to post pics of aggressive, angry looking dogs is no different than posting pics of puppies. Neither represent the population of said dog.

I can post pics of very aggressive looking bunnies. Does that mean we should be scared of them?



reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 06:13 PM by Iwinder
Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant
I don't "like" or "hate" the breed. I just like to look at reality. Dog breeds are not a natural phenomenon. They are basically genetically altered wolves. Altered by humans over millenia. They were bred for specific reasons. Dog breeds created as "companion" or "family pet" animals is a very recent development.
Pit Bulls, as their name suggests, were specifically bred for aggression and to maximize tissue damage in the act of pit fighting, for gambling purposes.

Several quantifiable reports and studies have been done, despite protests to the contrary. Pit Bulls have a severely disproportionate amount of responsibility for dog attacks that result in permanent damage or death. Actuarial liability experts unanimously agree on the major liability that comes with the breed. These people don't get involved with "profiling". They deal in pure numbers and facts to best cover their employer or clients' legal behind.

Would the defenders of pit bulls claim that pointers are not genetically predisposed to be good hunting dogs or that border collies are not predisposed to be good herding dogs? If they concede that, then it is hard to deny that pit bulls are genetically predisposed to be good fighting dogs.

One also has to understand the nature of the dog. It makes us fuzzy inside to think that our dogs are just nice and loyal. Truth is they are pack animals displaying pack behavior. The very large majority of dog breeds are bred to be submissive to their human overlords. I do love my lab, but I also understand her behavior is indicative of an animal bred to be submissive to me. Pit Bulls were "reverse engineered", so to speak, in their breeding process to have the proper amount of aggression for the gambling pits. Bulldogs were originally used but didn't always fight and didnt provide enough bloodshed for the spectators. Hence the breeding of a more aggressive and destructive animal.

And it is always, ALWAYS, the family dog "who would never bite or attack anyone and never displayed that kind of behavior before." Hear it all the time.

A secondary issue is, in general, the people who are attracted to the breed. Thugs, hooligans, and irresponsible buffoons of all races, ethnicities, and sexes love to own pit bulls.

Even if the breed is no more likely to attack than another breed, which I doubt, they absolutely create major damage and they are well known to be very willful. While chihauhas are aggressive little $h1+s, you can kick it, problem solved. If a dalmation bites you, you go to the hospital and get a bandage. If a pit bull attacks, you are much more likely to see permanent maiming and scarring or worse.

Bottom line: Pit Bull ownership should require training and licensing as you are dealing with a dangerous, "special needs" animal.

Also, owners should be criminally liable for anything their dog does, regardless of breed.

edit on 7-5-2012 by pierregustavetoutant because: sp


You said it all here.
Regards, Iwinder


reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 06:46 PM by cranspace
reply to post by jiggerj



It seems that Pitbulls are the dog of choice for unemployed chav drug dealers
Pitbulls were bred for one intention only and that is ripping and tearing flesh
But in the right hands would be a good dog if trained properly
I think all dogs still have a wild gene in them that can make them attack



So beware

Cran


reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 06:48 PM by volafox
reply to post by freakjive



Such pretty little baby blues!!! I have a pitty who would have otherwise been put to sleep or have a leg amputated because her front paw didn't develop the way it should. I held off, waiting to see how she would make it. She's six months old now, and her name is Dancer. She pets the cat with this paw, shakes hands, slaps the poodle, and dances around like a silly little thing when she's happy, and that's all the time. Pitties were considered Nanny Dogs long before their bad reputation and all the breeding for savagery took place. I watch her, yes, because first off, I'm a protective mother of my son. But, I feel for any idiot who thinks they can come into my house without my permission. She may be a big loving girl, but yes, she is also protection. She would give her life for me or my son. I don't doubt that for one moment.
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