posted on May, 8 2012 @ 11:55 AM
Originally posted by kalisdad
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
you are obviously under the assumption that the primary/straw poll results are valid, despite massive speculation that there is in fact fraud
being commited with the electronic voting machines
if you consider the possibility that there is in fact fraud and the straw polls are being manipulated, its not nearly as far fetched to see
that Ron Paul is not only winning the delegates, but most likely he is getting a lot more of the popular vote than is being reported
(Let me preface by saying that I'm a supporter of RP's ideas)
Remember that operating under the assumption that there is voter fraud is no better, and the burden of proof is always
placed on the accuser
(i.e., the person accusing accusing a poll of being fraudulent). You don't 'accuse' a poll of being valid; that's not logically sound.
The only compelling evidence I've seen - the statistical analysis that popped up on this site/reddit/dailypaul a couple of months ago - was at minimum
shown to be inconclusive, at maximum debunked. Since then, I have seen no evidence to support claims of voter fraud besides stuff like what you posted
You use 'speculation' and 'possibly' and 'most likely' while trying to provide a basis for our argument. This is one of the inherent fallacies of
conspiracy theorizing: just because something is possible, doesn't mean it is either true or eve likely
. The possibility of voter fraud does
not provide sufficient proof of voter fraud.
That's not to say that the vote isn't being 'manipulated' in a sense. The various media outlets have their agendas, and push them upon the ignorant
and gullible masses.
Additionally, let me say this: it shouldn't matter to us (libertarians) if we have popular support. Regardless of how many people agree with us, we
should continue to spread our message of liberty and limited government.
Popular support does not validate/invalidate an idea or position. As
(supposedly) reasonable and rational individuals, this shouldn't be a factor in justifying our beliefs.
edit on 8-5-2012 by CaptainIraq
because: (no reason given)