Where is the proof? All that is against them is confession along with circumstantial evidence. Hence they're still being tried over a decade afterwards.

Justice or revenge?
well, if you pick revenge, considering the facts:
then you are the terrorist

Putting dirty words in some else's mouth, then attacking them, and stealing their natural resources, while abandoning your own troops to die of gulf war disease, and poverty, and insanity, is not self defence.

Funny, all these bad people being attacked have dope and oil and the people doing the "Self (proclaimed ) defence" are broke.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
The US should stay out of any conflict that it's not asked to participate in. Furthermore, it should weigh the pro and con of assisting in those conflicts.

Then it was fully justified to help its Arab allies during the first gulf war.

Remember - The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were after 9/11. They didn't cause 9/11. They were a response to it.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
In the present scheme of things, the wars aren't fought for you and me, they are fought for oligarchs and war mongers who want to continue their imperialist control of the earth.

I agree with you there.

However, it may be useful to remember that the Wahhabi terrorists who killed 3,000 people on 9/11 didn't do it for you or I either. They did it to establish Islamic imperialist control of the earth, as you put it.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Then it was fully justified to help its Arab allies during the first gulf war.

Remember - The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were after 9/11. They didn't cause 9/11. They were a response to it.

A terrible response if you ask me. Two wars that had nothing to do with solving the problem of terrorist activities.

You have to admit that the US has been on an imperial occupation spree of every ME nation it can get it's hands on.

NATO included. Let's not forget the plan was to take 7 (?) ME nations after 2000.

I agree with you there.

However, it may be useful to remember that the Wahhabi terrorists who killed 3,000 people on 9/11 didn't do it for you or I either. They did it to establish Islamic imperialist control of the earth, as you put it.

If you believe the story the government gave you sure, it was terrorists. IMO it was domestic terrorists but that's another thread entirely, I can't prove my hypothesis, they can't disprove it so there you go.

And I do not disagree that there is a set of Islamic Extremists who wish to control the world, I think every nation has those, we sure do in the west, we sure do in Europe and every other body of nations I can think of.

Honestly if we had a proper economy ( as in not based in fiat currency) then these wars would have probably never occured. The cost would out weight the benefits.

~Tenth