Two hours? Damn....... Sounds like someone had it in for the guy.

Originally posted by TKDRL
Two hours? Damn....... Sounds like someone had it in for the guy.

Not necessarily. If he's on base and she's not, and she doesn't know who the heck to call to get through to to say "My husband was just shot in his room i saw it on skype'

But, yeah, two hours.

That is kinda long actually.

Originally posted by Josephus
This is [snipped] one would think only happens in Bourne movies. If it was an outside wall I'd go with ricochet. Adjoining wall maybe a neighbor misfired while cleaning or something. Hallway wall and something fishy is going on.

edit on 7-5-2012 by Josephus because: curse word

That is exactly my thoughts. This really speaks to my skeptic side. Not only was it through the wall, but did nobody else hear the shot? Are there normally practice ranges near the bases? (maybe sounds of gunfire are normal)

2 hours??

I wonder what kind of conversation he was having with his wife?

If he was knocked forward, why would the bullet hole be behind him? Wouldn't he slump backward?

Originally posted by kosmicjack
If he was knocked forward, why would the bullet hole be behind him? Wouldn't he slump backward?

I was thinking that he was shot through the wall from behind. (if it was a case of him being shot) Maybe the velocity caused him to be pushed forward.

What's still unclear is whether the bullet hole was there before he was knocked forward. It will be interesting to hear if there is anymore study on this.

They can't possibly determine whether that was a bullet hole through a webcam.

A hole is a hole, everything else is speculation.


And despite all out tech there is no way to patch a bullet hole in a dead body.

I would say an aneurysm is the most likely medical cause given his age and the way he just fell with no warning. They can happen anywhere in your body but if they are in the brain or aorta death is very quick.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
They can't possibly determine whether that was a bullet hole through a webcam.

A hole is a hole, everything else is speculation.


And despite all out tech there is no way to patch a bullet hole in a dead body.

I would say an aneurysm is the most likely medical cause given his age and the way he just fell with no warning. They can happen anywhere in your body but if they are in the brain or aorta death is very quick.

I do think you raise an interesting point. I've sorta been dwelling on that very question all day.

Bear with me for a moment on this thought...

Is it possible that they could "cut" the scalp/head in a way that would hide a bullet wound upon resewing?

I realize that might seem far fetched, but I was able to locate some photos on google's image search of post-mortem brain examinations where it looked like the center of the head was opened with a zipper.

Just food for thought...

Originally posted by freakjive

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
They can't possibly determine whether that was a bullet hole through a webcam.

A hole is a hole, everything else is speculation.


And despite all out tech there is no way to patch a bullet hole in a dead body.

I would say an aneurysm is the most likely medical cause given his age and the way he just fell with no warning. They can happen anywhere in your body but if they are in the brain or aorta death is very quick.

I do think you raise an interesting point. I've sorta been dwelling on that very question all day.

Bear with me for a moment on this thought...

Is it possible that they could "cut" the scalp/head in a way that would hide a bullet wound upon resewing?

I realize that might seem far fetched, but I was able to locate some photos on google's image search of post-mortem brain examinations where it looked like the center of the head was opened with a zipper.

Just food for thought...

Autopsy scars are very hard to hide, in fact, impossible would be more accurate.

Once you die your body stops doing things, no matter how nice of a job you do it will show. As a combat medic in the Army for 19 years I've moved a few bodies around and assisted in a few body preps.

So the short answer is no.

Originally posted by freakjive

Originally posted by Josephus
This is [snipped] one would think only happens in Bourne movies. If it was an outside wall I'd go with ricochet. Adjoining wall maybe a neighbor misfired while cleaning or something. Hallway wall and something fishy is going on.

edit on 7-5-2012 by Josephus because: curse word

That is exactly my thoughts. This really speaks to my skeptic side. Not only was it through the wall, but did nobody else hear the shot? Are there normally practice ranges near the bases? (maybe sounds of gunfire are normal)

2 hours??

I wonder what kind of conversation he was having with his wife?

edit on Mon May 7 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: (no reason given)

On a military base ? Definitely Silencer then. Which is why nobody heard the sound.

Sounds like he knew something he wasn't supposed to or really pissed somebody off.

That is sad though for the wife to have to see that.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
If he was knocked forward, why would the bullet hole be behind him? Wouldn't he slump backward?

Your kidding right ?

Pay Attention....

Bullet from behind = momentum being carried forward which gets exerted on the body which continues the energy in motion which makes the body fall forward from the impact of the bullet.

If somebody gets shot at a close range, they aren't going to move towards the bullet, but away.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Autopsy scars are very hard to hide, in fact, impossible would be more accurate.

Once you die your body stops doing things, no matter how nice of a job you do it will show. As a combat medic in the Army for 19 years I've moved a few bodies around and assisted in a few body preps.

So the short answer is no.

Thanks, AGW...I appreciate the insight from your experience.

I'm not trying to make this more than what it is, but just considering all options. We wouldn't be having this discussion if the wife hadn't mentioned the bullet hole in the background.

The journalist knew that would instantly sensationalize the tragic event and ran full boar with it.

I do hope that the family gets an independent autopsy.

From a ballistic standpoint, it doesn't seem likely he was shot.

While I've not personally shot anyone in the head - there are very few weapons that can shoot someone in the back of the head and not do catastrophic damage (such as large cavity wounds, shattered bone... "exploded head"). It's easy, via exposure to movies, to lose respect for both the power of a firearm and the frailty of the human body.

So, I don't find this to be suspicious so much as curious that the man's death was caught on camera - by his wife, no less.

If someone wanted to "off him" - there are far less obvious ways to do it in the military. More people die from accidents in the military than enemy fire. Someone fails to properly secure grating in a ship. Someone takes a slide across the non-skid and loses their face. Someone doesn't properly tag out equipment and gets turned into toast. Someone dies from dehydration. A lot of people consume alcohol and get a good idea that results in their death. There's an infinite number of ways to die in the military. A very select few are by enemy/hostile intent.