Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 02:50 AM
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I don't know why anyone would be surprised. Europe has knotted itself up in unhealthy, anti-sovereignty relationships. The Eurozone might not be as negative a relationship as the Treaty of Versailles. But when other people's start coming into your country and claim the legitimacy of telling you how to run things - THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

People are going to become nationalistic and they're going to become self destructive. Especially democracies that have obviously proven as completely irresponsible as Greece. Debt is an existential issue for a nation. Its time we start treating it that way.




posted on May, 7 2012 @ 03:36 AM
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Well I would rather a nazi then a jew


Wow, it really is the 1930's all over again. But why should I be suprised? Your signature name says it all:
'Human Condition'.




posted on May, 7 2012 @ 03:56 AM
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Originally posted by Lucius Driftwood
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Well I would rather a nazi then a jew


Wow, it really is the 1930's all over again. But why should I be suprised? Your signature name says it all:
'Human Condition'.

It doesn't mean I like nazis, just that I like them more then jews.
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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 04:08 AM
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Well i guess now things are gonna get interesting!



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 05:27 AM
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France now has a Democratic Socialist as president. Not a wouldbe Communist. The US has a very center right President.

Calm down.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 06:03 AM
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Radical left got 17 % and communists 8 % in the elections, that for me is a much bigger issue than 7 % of the radical right.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by stolisGreece

You must understand also that Greek Golden Dawn appear not as a neo-Nazi party but more a nationalism party (an extreme nationalism party) .

And what they say is:
Immigrants must leave Greece (except these who have been for many years),
and Greek national property back to Greece and not to the bankers

Do you still believe is strange what happened?



Yes I am sure many used the exact same arguments circa 1933 too.

From what I can tell..what you are saying is that Greece, rather than resolving a social and policing problem with social and policing solutions..prefers to ignore the fact that the neo-Nazi party is riding to power on the back of their unwillingness to see another person as a human being instead of a colour or race.
That this same group is using their fear and are using every day Greecian peoples' readiness to use imigrants as a handy scape goat, in order to acheive its own goals which as yet..are unclear and unstated outside of 'getting rid of people they dont like or want'. The people are angry, that is to say, afraid, both of what 'might' happen and of loosing control. Neo-Nazi's are making use of this and are manipulating it.


Whereas I see it as a case that many Greecians dont want to take responsibility for the fact THEY were the ones that voted their prior government into power - the criminal gang that just fleeced them all - and they dont want to accept that it was THEY who didnt take responsibility for their own freedom via vigilance in the political process until it was too late and so they want to blame rather than accept responibility for those choices.The house of cards has fallen and they are pissed off....no one wants to own it.

So now they are freaking out at the consequences of that inaction..and in a knee jerk reaction, are now venting their rage at the government, one THEY put into power..by tossing the old crime bosses and giving the power they ought not to have given away in the first place, to a potentially even worse group of crime bosses who, regardless of if they become little hitlars or not, people will once again abdicate their political and social power authority and choice to - ones they will again 'rest' in and ignore until they too fleece them of whatever is left the others didnt take.

Instead of looking at their own accountability to themselves and to the governmental and fiscal processes of their own nation, they have just set up yet another patsy to take their rage in the future..and in the mean time..in fear... they are criminalising everyone else around them who 'isnt like them'....its called projection.

More..they are willing to vote into power within their nation, a political force (Nazism/ultranationalism) that has a known and very recent historical precedents for blatantly mass murdering those who do not feel the same as they do! Onya!

So Greece is willing to risk these mongrels rising to actual power in quick time as Hitalr did, and so 'hoping' that these Nazi's wont take the lives of their own sick, gay, disabled, elderly, non christian, non 'white', red heads, green eyed, multiracial, 'different', politcally active, alternative religous believers, not to mention anti gov scientists researchers etc.. all so they can to continue to claim the right to abdicate their personal responsibility for their choices for another generation! Such TRUST!

Sure they wont say or think that now.....but I bet you that they will be the first to cry foul and blame THE EVIL NAZI"s rather than their own voting choices when they do begin to murder all and sundry!

To all of the above I say Greece needs to take a breath and consider taking some damn responsibility. They need to stop blaming everyone else and start working together. It is the only way - to know what it is your fearing - to work together to get over those fears and be humans again. Yes..Greece has copped a great deal of the immigrant taffic in the region..but why? What is the basis of the NEED for immgration to begin with? You cant begin to deal with those issues until you stand accountable.

IMO people need to stop looking to the top to guide them..they need to form communities..help each other..work with each other, including with immigrants to resolve conflicts and be citizens rather than subjects.

It IS possible..its just hard WORK. Just ask Iceland.


All of the above is IMO..ymmv and just how I see it..and I'd say sue me..but Im broke too




Rosha
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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 06:39 AM
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So exactly what has the Jewish community done to you to make you rather be a nazi? Did they kill everyone you care for or are you just being dumb and immature because that's what's cool?



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Rosha
F*ck..I mean..f*ck...is there anything else remotely effective to say to this?

France now in Socialist hands..USA under Socialist control..now Greece lets a 'little bit of hitlar' back in.....

Am I the only one who sees whats coming? 20 years I've being saying ' We are as the German people 1933!". 20 years Ive been warning " Watch out Reich 4.0 is already here ". No one listened everyone laughed. Well, laugh on. It won't be long I fear before we will all be laughing out the other side of our faces.


Im really annoyed..what a way to fraking waste a century....we are so much better than this.


Ro
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France is not in Socialist hands and neither is the USA. For that to be the case then there would need to be true Democracy where the people control the control. Is that the case in either? If not then neither are under socialist control.

your statement is oxymoronical.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by Lasr1oftheJedi
A final little thought. The excuse "It was required" or "I was under orders" doesn't justify what the nazis stood for or did. It's a cop out in my humble opinion. I know not all were aware of what the nazis were doing, and I hope if they were, they'd of acted against it. The philosophies which were preached were pretty blatant though, and so I can't give nazi pope a pass.

Perhapse I'm stubborn that way.


Ultimately it doesn't matter what you think about it unless you were actually in the situation- who knows how you would have reacted in 1930s Germany, especially if you were worried about consequences for your family. Also in the 1930s, as rough as the Nazis were, there was no mass killings at this stage, and there had been less death than in Soviet Russia- sometimes it ain't as black and white as people make out, especially in the relative comfort and safety of the UK/US in 2012...............



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 06:53 AM
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People are blowing this out of proportion. It's not like the U.S. will now invade Greece and France, if anything they'll probably give them more financial aid, just as Hitler received funding from big banks. Plus this is most likely media spin as they call anyone who opposes their plans a racist neonazi so until Jews are rounded up in concentration camps I fail to see how this is any different from say, Fema camp conspiracies which people say is just baseless fear mongering, so,

and if there is a second holocaust maybe the victims will learn from yistory and actually fight back. 11 million vs. A handful of German guards, they deserve it if they won't fight back. They even knew the showers were gas chambers yet they went alng to get along, like sheep sent to the slaughter. Stop living in fear, start fighting back. If you die, well, you'd die anyway. Die on your feet or die in a gas chamber. Hmmm, tough decision. Not!



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:04 AM
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Let's see if you get a choice when those same Nazis mandate gas chambers in every town for the lucky citizens of those towns!

I'm sorry but this is insane. Supporting nazis in any form that is.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:12 AM
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gass chambers?
I'll believe that when we see them
modern Nazis use drones



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:14 AM
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Uh huh.

What was your point?

The idea that people are silly enough to support electing nazis is what baffles me the most. I still think we should administer IQ tests at the voting booths because most people are not all "there" when it comes time to vote.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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IQ tests at the voting booth, calling people insane because they don't share your ideology, who's the fascist now lol. Question: do you believe in fema camp conspiracies? Because it would be hypocritical to deny fema camps while also assuming gas chambers is beyond question.



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by JailTales

Originally posted by Rosha
F*ck..I mean..f*ck...is there anything else remotely effective to say to this?

France now in Socialist hands..USA under Socialist control..now Greece lets a 'little bit of hitlar' back in.....

Am I the only one who sees whats coming? 20 years I've being saying ' We are as the German people 1933!". 20 years Ive been warning " Watch out Reich 4.0 is already here ". No one listened everyone laughed. Well, laugh on. It won't be long I fear before we will all be laughing out the other side of our faces.


Im really annoyed..what a way to fraking waste a century....we are so much better than this.


Ro
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France is not in Socialist hands and neither is the USA. For that to be the case then there would need to be true Democracy where the people control the control. Is that the case in either? If not then neither are under socialist control.

your statement is oxymoronical.


Democracy is not born from socialism..nor is it dependant on it.


By definition * ( I know..its a wiki one but its the fastest and Im tired*)

Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy.
Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership and/or control of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy, and a political philosophy advocating such a system.


To overcome the oxymoron issue you're having as regards to the Greek situation..replace the word socialist with Totalitarianism....as every notorious socialist leader in history..has ended up there.

I can say I am a duck..convince you I have wings too..but it remains Im no duck. Dont believe me..just go by historical fact and not my hysterical opinion then...

Hitlar- socialist..wasnt ( he was Totalitarianist)
Mussolini..socialist..wasnt ( he was Facist)
Mao..socialist..wasnt..(he was Communist)

et al etc etc..

Each presented as "socialist"....each wasnt...and so socialism has come to mean ' wolf in sheeps clothing' politically speaking.

Being from a country that has instituted many socialist style/type social polices..I'd be hypocritical if I said I was completey against all socialist principles. However, if we were to have a basic system of governance that meant we elected a single 'leader' and endowed that leader with the same executive privilege in form the USA or France or Greece do and then elected a "socialist" to that head office, then yes, I would be concerned...very.
As I am now.



Ro


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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by The Sword
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Uh huh.

What was your point?

The idea that people are silly enough to support electing nazis is what baffles me the most. I still think we should administer IQ tests at the voting booths because most people are not all "there" when it comes time to vote.

the real Nazis use drones...gas chambers are so passe...except in the occasional Texas jail
just like I said...
the so called Greek Nazis even IF real as stated in the OP are small change compared to the actual Nazis who are using drones...
ETA
tho I should clarify: the modern Nazis are still doing the same old dirty work for the same old banker mob
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ETA2
not sure if you noticed but since the advent of institutional voter fraud there are no stupid voters
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posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by The Sword
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Let's see if you get a choice when those same Nazis mandate gas chambers in every town for the lucky citizens of those towns!

I'm sorry but this is insane. Supporting nazis in any form that is.


try and leave the cliches ffs, more worrying is that the extreme left received a larger vote than the nationalists, however precious little outrage from the media!



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo
Radical left got 17 % and communists 8 % in the elections, that for me is a much bigger issue than 7 % of the radical right.


Im kind of at the point where radical right and left are one and the same beast to me.....sighs softly......its getting too hard to distinguish these days and while everyone squabbling over semantics....30K kids still dying every day of plain old starvation and disentry...


Ro



posted on May, 7 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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I recall reading a thread on here a couple of weeks ago. Didnt the USA sell them a load of tanks recently? Well now they have the people ready to use them. Would be nice if they were used against the govt, but I doubt it.





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