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Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

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posted on May, 8 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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Any thoughts then towards a formal policy of 'no strikes'/mandatory deportation of anyone commiting a crime while on bridging or protection visas?
Our Gov asserted this right recently, and has done so only twice that I have seen, but already the hum has begun to change among many immigrant groups I befriend.

As far as social and policing policies go, its not a 'nice' or even a fool proof system though as far as placating citizens and keeping the newly arrived mindful of their own responsibilities to the community and ensuring criminals remain aware that their actions will have such dire consequences, it might proove a useful policy to assert if.where none exists at present?
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Ro




posted on May, 8 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by psyop911
reply to post by Rosha
 


the globalists are playing the folk like a fiddle.


To be fair to the many independant groups, the w/out borders groups, NGO's and organisations out there doing great global work right now, ' globalists' isnt a true description or the right term for these people.




Ro.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by HumanCondition
Well I would rather a nazi then a jew


You do of course realize National Socialism (nazism) is a political movement and jews are a race, correct? Apples and oranges.

And while yes, you CAN generalize a political party or movement based on their ideology, it is preposterous and yes, racist, to label an entire peoples. Nazis raped and destroyed their way across Europe, Asia and Africa and killed my grandfather. As someone has tried to explain to you and your delusional "jews are the route of all evil" folk, there are no banking families with true, hebrew/jewish ties. Go back to reading Rense or Stormfront, your mind is obviously bent towards hatred, intolerance and false propaganda.
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posted on May, 8 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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...and how is this any different than the communists elected in the US congress? I find it pretty funny how most of the world governments are run by outright communists and far left socialists, but when a few Nationalists get elected "Oh dear God! Hitler blah, blah ,blah!"........all the while Europe is being overrun. They need MORE Nationalists not fewer.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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Key point in this post is German soldiers.

Who are currently holding Greece to ransom through austerity measures and actually formed a coup to out their previously elected prime minister when he suggested the bail out should go to a public referendum..

Yep, The Germans.

You can say the party Golden Dawn has links to Germans who killed the Greeks, but you can also say that Pasok and New Democracy is also a puppet government to the Germans who killed Greeks.

Either way its all Germans...

In the end after the Nazi influence, the German nation was able to rise to the most powerful country in Europe who hold all the cards and money.. So i guess the Greeks are following Germanys blueprint to success and wealth.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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On another point

Here is their policies.. I hear these same views from Americans on ATS everyday...

- Termination of the Memorandum. Audit of debt and all loan contracts from 1974 to today and denied payment of illegal and burdensome debt

- Creation of special audit teams to seek those responsible for the squandering of public money in all ministries and government agencies. Referral to a special court, imprisonment of offenders and confiscation of their property.

- Abolition of the privileges of Members and restriction of their earnings to pay an official middle tier. Elimination of state funding to parties.

- Immediate nationalization of banks that have received capital injections under the guarantee of the Greek public and private falirismenon merger of banks in a strong national bank. Delete bank debt of Greek families with social criteria.

- Establishment and delineation of Greek EEZ and start drilling in all regions with confirmed oil and gas

- Investment income from the nationalization of banks and our energy reserves in national production in order to again become self-sufficient country.

- Ensuring the country's borders from the Special Forces of the Greek Army. Re-distribution of anti-personnel landmines Greek.

- Immediate arrest and deportation of all illegal immigrants. Sui generis offense is whatever a foreigner. Penalties will not be served in prisons but in specialized detention facilities, which will also produce work for the government.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by mayabong

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by mayabong

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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The gas chamber thing is a lie.


No it is not.




There is zero proof sorry. I'm not emotionally attached to this event, but merely a historian


How lovely for you. I actually have a degree in History and I've looked into it in some detail, so I can officially tell you that you are about as wrong as it's possible to get.


So far you've given no facts whatsoever. There are lots of places such as dachau where inmates said there were gassings now even mainstream historians don't agree that this took place. There were swimming pools and a theatre at auchwitz but history doesnt tell you about that cause its supposed to bea death camp. No one denies that there were camps. Japs inthe us were also in camps and I'm sure they would have been found in similar conditions if the us had lost the war.


Excuse me while I roflmao!

I'm sure the theatres and swimming pools were a great reassurance to the prisoners before they were hauled off to your non-existent ovens.

You sir, are delutional. Many a Nazi war criminal has stated exactly what has happened at these camps. What records that were missed in the purges before the camps were liberated corroborate their testimonies. Fail.

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Ok so now they were put in ovens again. I don't even think you people even know what you believe. Lol



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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Ovens, gas chambers, whatever.

If you actually believe the prisoners of auchwitz relaxed by the poolside before having a light dinner then a movie at their state of the art movie theaters, I can't help you.

Some people will believe any old thing fed to them, as long as the Jews are the bad guys.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Allegory of Illumination
reply to post by Lasr1oftheJedi
 


Don't believe everything you hear....

I recommend reading both pages of the link.

DEFENSE


Hitler Jugend: Joseph Ratzinger has explained that his membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory — it wasn’t his personal choice to join and he certainly didn’t join out of any personal conviction that the Nazis were right. Despite being a member, he refused to attend any meetings. Attendance would have reduced the cost of his schooling at the seminary, yet this did not deter him.


CRITICISM



Hitler Jugend: Joseph Ratzinger’s claims about the Hitler Youth are not true. Compulsory membership was first defined in 1936 and reinforced in 1939, not in 1941 as he says. Ratzinger also says that he was “still too young” at the time, but he was 14 in 1941 and not too young at all: between the ages of 10 and 14, membership in the Deutsche Jungvolk (a group for younger children) was mandatory. Yet there is no mention of Raztinger belonging. If he had managed to avoid the required membership in the Deutsche Jungvolk, why did he suddenly join the Hitler Youth in 1941?

Resistance: Both Joseph Ratzinger and his brother, Georg, have said that “resistance was impossible” at the time and, therefore, it’s not surprising or morally culpable that they also “went along.” This is also not true. First, it’s insulting to the many who risked their lives to resist the Nazi regime, both in organized cells and on an individual basis. Second, there are many examples of those who refused service in the Hitler Youth for a variety of reasons.


Like I said read the whole article (both pages.)
Then make an informed decision/opinion by yourself.
Just because someone throws a link or fact your way doesn't make it true.


With the Golden Dawn, Neonazism is written ALL OVER THE PLACE. It even comes down to the imagery, and the racist pogroms they do/advocate against immigrants... something the Jewish community in Europe should be more sensitive to.

Of course, they don't have an official swastika, just a close symbol... so have most neonazi organizations today, trying to veil their true identity behind dubious symbols.

As for Ratzinger's statement, this is fluff. Resistance to the regime was NOT impossible when you were German, it was just dangerous. How could, otherwise, several Nazi officers and soldiers revolt against their own chain of command, like these officers who attempted to get rid of Hitler?

His idea that resistance is impossible is clear proof of how he himself is a fascist with a slave morality, typically Catholic in nature.
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posted on May, 8 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by mayabong
 


Ovens, gas chambers, whatever.

If you actually believe the prisoners of auchwitz relaxed by the poolside before having a light dinner then a movie at their state of the art movie theaters, I can't help you.

Some people will believe any old thing fed to them, as long as the Jews are the bad guys.


No not whatever. It actually makes a difference to some of us .

Yes there were swimming pools and movie theatres. Survivors talk about them in the Schindlers list interviews which are online.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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what 'Communists elected in the US congress'?, Do you not realise that The European project is built on american 'free market' values, is controlled by Germany who have a centre right administration, and is opposed by most nations left wing politicians in all but practice. What is very clear to me is that the Euro zone has become corrupt and is absolutely controlled by German Business and banking interests (just look at who benefits from the 'restructuring' in Greece,Spain and italy etc.)It seems the current GErman administration has achieved peacefully what the nazis failed to achieve militarily, that is control of one of the worlds most industrially powerful regions. So Europe really is anything but left wing. And more so, it is totally undemocratic as a concept, which is why government after government is getting voted out in national elections, and the main parties are getting sidelined as a consequence of their dealings with a corrupted system which is destroying social democratically lead economies. I see at as deliberate that Germany has targeted the more left wing governments for Austerity... Maybe that's why Nick Clegg chose Cameron over Brown... who knows? definately not you shai hulud...



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Vaski
On another point

Here is their policies.. I hear these same views from Americans on ATS everyday...

- Termination of the Memorandum. Audit of debt and all loan contracts from 1974 to today and denied payment of illegal and burdensome debt

- Creation of special audit teams to seek those responsible for the squandering of public money in all ministries and government agencies. Referral to a special court, imprisonment of offenders and confiscation of their property.

- Abolition of the privileges of Members and restriction of their earnings to pay an official middle tier. Elimination of state funding to parties.

- Immediate nationalization of banks that have received capital injections under the guarantee of the Greek public and private falirismenon merger of banks in a strong national bank. Delete bank debt of Greek families with social criteria.

- Establishment and delineation of Greek EEZ and start drilling in all regions with confirmed oil and gas

- Investment income from the nationalization of banks and our energy reserves in national production in order to again become self-sufficient country.

- Ensuring the country's borders from the Special Forces of the Greek Army. Re-distribution of anti-personnel landmines Greek.

- Immediate arrest and deportation of all illegal immigrants. Sui generis offense is whatever a foreigner. Penalties will not be served in prisons but in specialized detention facilities, which will also produce work for the government.


you left out Abolish Income Revenue Taxation.
It is very clear that enforcement of tax has created a bureaucracy which is upside down. Taxation of imports and exports and a sound GNP and GDP support enough revenue to facilitate Government not out of control



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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A majority of immigrants are not violent sure some do turn to crime but it's unfair to say that it's the immigrants causing violence because majority of violence that took place in Athens was by the Greek people. So yeah they want immigrants out as everyone does because when times are good and countries need our help we are good enough for them but when times get tough it's always our fault. Maybe if the governments had a tougher control on immigration etc. problems like this wouldn't happen. They are forgetting that many Greeks also immigrated to other countries if countries decided to send them back to Greece you would have the same problem cause they wouldn't have jobs either so just more violence.
Now, I know there are many immigrants who do cause trouble and being an immigrant myself it's difficult cause they give us the ones who do work hard a bad name especially when people are ignorant and they say that Polish,Slovakians, Czechs, Latvians etc. are the same thing. But most of the time it is the natives who commit crime it just makes better news when it's an immigrant imo.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Holocaust deniers are out in force eh?

I think it was the inclusion of the term 'Nazi' that set them off unto their frothing rants, soon it'll be Nazi deniers and then war deniers.




posted on May, 8 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by mayabong

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by mayabong
 


Ovens, gas chambers, whatever.

If you actually believe the prisoners of auchwitz relaxed by the poolside before having a light dinner then a movie at their state of the art movie theaters, I can't help you.

Some people will believe any old thing fed to them, as long as the Jews are the bad guys.


No not whatever. It actually makes a difference to some of us .

Yes there were swimming pools and movie theatres. Survivors talk about them in the Schindlers list interviews which are online.

Ok, so your denying Jews and other ethnic minorities were executed i suppose? Or simply making a point that its ok if we kill them, i just simply have to explain it in the right manner? Would you please clarify your point?

And the swimming pools and movie theatres? Do you think its ok to kill someone after you have made their lives richer by showing them Groucho Marx movies before hand? Or are you again denying anyone was executed at these camps? I suppose that simply by having a pool there, your proving that they had great lives in these camps? Your delusional beyond belief. Newsflash, the "pool" was built as a resevoir to fight fires and the theatres were for the Nazis. Go back to reading Rense.

No idea what your really trying to prove here.

Read this and learn, son.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca...

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posted on May, 8 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by mayabong

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by mayabong
 


Ovens, gas chambers, whatever.

If you actually believe the prisoners of auchwitz relaxed by the poolside before having a light dinner then a movie at their state of the art movie theaters, I can't help you.

Some people will believe any old thing fed to them, as long as the Jews are the bad guys.


No not whatever. It actually makes a difference to some of us .

Yes there were swimming pools and movie theatres. Survivors talk about them in the Schindlers list interviews which are online.

Ok, so your denying Jews and other ethnic minorities were executed i suppose? Or simply making a point that its ok if we kill them, i just simply have to explain it in the right manner? Would you please clarify your point?

And the swimming pools and movie theatres? Do you think its ok to kill someone after you have made their lives richer by showing them Groucho Marx movies before hand? Or are you again denying anyone was executed at these camps?

No idea what your really trying to prove here.


I'm saying that there were no mass executions of Jews, in ovens or gas chambers or "whatever". There is simply no proof and any attempt at uncovering the truth is met with fierce resistance from people such as yourself. The 6 million number was tried after world war 1 and didn't stick so they did it after world war 2. The "holocaust" is an industry that brings in tons of money and is also used as a political tool. As pointed out before, prisoners came out of some camps claiming to have gas chambers, when even mainstream historians agree that those camps had no gas chambers.

I'm not agreeing with what Hitler did as far as rounding people up in camps, I also don't agree with the US rounding people up in camps. Facts are facts, and you can't use a speilberg movie or the repeated history channel episodes on nazi's to get them. I also take the Nuremburg trials with a grain of salt cause these people were probably tortured, just like the people on trial for 911 were tortured.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Are you also denying that Gypsies, homosexuals and the disabled were also gassed at concentration camps?


The Gypsies, as with the Jews and the disabled, were considered to be a threat to Nazi racial purity.

arielsexegesis.wordpress.com...



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Wow that would be great if only our government as well as the others of the past actually CARED enough to implement such a measure that would protect both sides. Illegal immigrants do pretty much what they want my friend and nobody does anything about it. It's the sad truth which I have to face every single day.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by mayabong
 


Are you also denying that Gypsies, homosexuals and the disabled were also gassed at concentration camps?


The Gypsies, as with the Jews and the disabled, were considered to be a threat to Nazi racial purity.

arielsexegesis.wordpress.com...

Of course he is.

In his own words, there was never mass executions at any of the german concentration camps.

But they had nice theatres and swimming pools for their welcome guests, the Romas, Jews and other folk the nazis so loved and respected!



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Wait, why isn't anyone worrying about the communists?
Because Stalin was such a cuddly kitten and the bolsheviks never murdered anyone?




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