Neo-Nazis elected in the new Greek parliament

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastard
I'm 110% sure that there's NO coincidence about the timing between THIS and the register of a lobbyist for the American Nazi party in US Congress. As well as the timing between the fall of Sarkozy, the ascension of a Socialist to the French gov't and Putin's return to the Russian presidency, also is NO coincidence. It looks like the shadow gov't wants to resuscitate the Nazi-Socialism back from hell.

Nice observation. I would also venture to say that this has been going on in an accelerated manner since the 08 election cycle. Socialism/communism/totalitarianism seems to have made a "come-back" to use a certain person's terminology.

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I don't understand your point. Are you upset due to the fact that a political party that you do not approve of has won seats in the parliament? That sounds very dictatorial to me. Seriously...the only message that I am getting from your post is that the winning party should be stopped....simply for being of a party that your sad morals disapprove of.

One of the many prices of direct election is the fact that one will have to deal with ideas that is against a persons core beliefs. Unless you are a greek citizen you have no right to condemn the politics that are transpiring in that country. Even if you are a greek citizen...you have been defeated by a higher margin of your countrymen and still have no right to complain. This is so amusing of democracies....the party one faction supports is always right in everything they do....and the party of their enemies is the physical incarnation of the devil on earth.

I see this post as nothing more than a feeble attempt to spread hatred against those whom you do not agree with.

Definitely speaks volumes about the people currently in charge, given europe being more to the left than the US.

Originally posted by Rosha
USA under Socialist control

No they aren't if you actually understand what socialism is. Maybe if you're so far to the right the president might appear to be soclialist, but even then, only by comparison. Please understand the definitions of words before using them.

Originally posted by My_Reality
reply to post by Rosha

 

I don't understand your point. Are you upset due to the fact that a political party that you do not approve of has won seats in the parliament? That sounds very dictatorial to me. Seriously...the only message that I am getting from your post is that the winning party should be stopped....simply for being of a party that your sad morals disapprove of.

One of the many prices of direct election is the fact that one will have to deal with ideas that is against a persons core beliefs. Unless you are a greek citizen you have no right to condemn the politics that are transpiring in that country. Even if you are a greek citizen...you have been defeated by a higher margin of your countrymen and still have no right to complain. This is so amusing of democracies....the party one faction supports is always right in everything they do....and the party of their enemies is the physical incarnation of the devil on earth.

I see this post as nothing more than a feeble attempt to spread hatred against those whom you do not agree with.

I can agree with you in one sense, that the Greek people do have every right to express electoral freedom. They also have other rights and the concurrent responsibilities that come with them - like responsibility to clean up their mess.

In exercising their right to utilise such vital powers as electing leaders over themselves, they can also take full accountability and responsibility for the consequences of exercising those said freedoms and choices. And in so much as those consequences of expressing electoral freedom effect ONLY them that is just fine and yes..I ought to mind my own business.


However, as the consequences of nazism by historical precedent alone, can never be contained within a single national border, so I have EVERY right to voice my opinion. I have EVERY right as an informed political analyst and as a simple mother of sons who may be forced to war.

I more than comprehend your argument, I simply reject it owing to a huge vat of common sense, knowledge and reason that tells me it is utter stupidity for a so called enlightened people, knowing the history of the nazi agenda and its consequences, to willfully choose to repeat history, to the potential risk and detriment of all people everywhere.

Hatred? No I am not spreading hatred. I dont advocate murdering or silencing this group. I do advocate learnign from history, using your brain and your local library to read up before you vote and in advocating such expressions of maturity, I advocate not giving this group one single OUNCE of actual political power....ever. That..I advocate a lot!

More, I advocate that if you do give them power and they bite you in the ass.... that you DONT come running to other nations to bail you out of your mess.

We invest in our children here...we protect them..and I doubt very much we will be 'happily' be sending them to be expended, or to be passed through the molec fires and sent off to war for Greecian ignorance and ego.
We did that once already...offered up an entire generation of good people to the European cause against Hitlars Reich and in voting these nazist assholes into power they have effectivly defecated on that sacrifice made for their freedom.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion..and your oposition to mine. Im not trying to be 'right' or popular and I am not seeking your approval of me or my viewpoint.

I am simply here, standing for maturity and wisdom...two things Greeks claim to prize above all things on earth..yet have (IMO) thrown away entirely in these latest decisions. I dont know what you are standing for. So far you've made only a specious argument towards supporting a group that supports hatred-in-action....and so not knowing, I must rest of my 'sad morals' as they stem from arguments made by better people.


Rosha

Originally posted by technical difficulties
Definitely speaks volumes about the people currently in charge, given europe being more to the left than the US.

Originally posted by Rosha
USA under Socialist control

No they aren't if you actually understand what socialism is. Maybe if you're so far to the right the president might appear to be soclialist, but even then, only by comparison. Please understand the definitions of words before using them.

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I do..not only in text but in action...and consequence.

Do you?


Ro

Originally posted by mayabong

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by mayabong

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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The gas chamber thing is a lie.

No it is not.

There is zero proof sorry. I'm not emotionally attached to this event, but merely a historian

How lovely for you. I actually have a degree in History and I've looked into it in some detail, so I can officially tell you that you are about as wrong as it's possible to get.

So far you've given no facts whatsoever. There are lots of places such as dachau where inmates said there were gassings now even mainstream historians don't agree that this took place. There were swimming pools and a theatre at auchwitz but history doesnt tell you about that cause its supposed to bea death camp. No one denies that there were camps. Japs inthe us were also in camps and I'm sure they would have been found in similar conditions if the us had lost the war.

Excuse me while I roflmao!

I'm sure the theatres and swimming pools were a great reassurance to the prisoners before they were hauled off to your non-existent ovens.

You sir, are delutional. Many a Nazi war criminal has stated exactly what has happened at these camps. What records that were missed in the purges before the camps were liberated corroborate their testimonies. Fail.

Originally posted by petrus4
The pre-corporate Internet conclusively proved, in my mind, that nationalisation (or universalisation) of infrastructure, the maintenance of which is in the universal public interest, can be a profoundly positive and beneficial thing, if it is implemented in a truly decentralised and non-hierarchical manner, and without the involvement of either governmental megalomania, or corporate greed.

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I hear what you've said and in part agree. There is nothing in what you've written for me to reject as its more a case of ' yes, this is true of socialism too' rather than an exclusive dogma taking point.
That said, your argument relies heavily on definition rather than precedent for its context...which you simply cant do in living organic politics. Precedent is everything is poltics as politics is essentially the practice of governance law. Actions even the smallest alter the definition in tremendous ways...deviations from a perscribed dogma occur daily..hourly in some states. Definitions exist, they are just unreliable and non predictive.

Your last paragraph here sums up what I mean..when you said...in a " pre-corperate internet" etc... In this you describe what WAS..in its ideal form. You say nothing about what happened much less what it is like now. The ideal form of the 'thing'..didnt last..the ideal intent didnt last..and the outcome was not under any control or 'leadership' by anyone who held the initial altruistic intent...and so both form and intent were lost..or at least..morphed into ambiguous states.

I do personaly agree with you that nonheriarchial structures are ideal and can work well, I just know from experience that the same requires a collective social maturity that I dont feel has been acheived and I am begining to doubt wether it can be in the quantity needed to overcome the critical mass of base instinct.

Like anything defined in writing..its all grand until you add the human factor. Nothing stays still or exists in a vaccume so it can't be enlivened seperate to other means or political ideologies or practices and in this sense, desire and intent makes no lasting impact on or difference to outcome.


Hopefully..Im wrong

Ro

You mean you would accept me as a Saint hrm it says so all over town. A German, Israeli, Irish, Epileptic, Schizophrenic.

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France now in Socialist hands..USA under Socialist control..now Greece lets a 'little bit of hitlar' back in..... Am I the only one who sees whats coming? 20 years I've being saying ' We are as the German people 1933!". 20 years Ive been warning " Watch out Reich 4.0 is already here ". No one listened everyone laughed. Well, laugh on. It won't be long I fear before we will all be laughing out the other side of our faces. Im really annoyed..what a way to fraking waste a century....we are so much better than this. Ro

Of course, smack on forehead. We were not pushing the free market hard enough. Capitalism hasn't been given a chance yet. More than a century and we need another century to get it right. Damn, and America the apex of world Capitalism is now bankrupt. I know, its Nixon's fault. If he hadn't of dragged us off the Bretton Woods gold standard our dollar would be still as good as gold. Oh but since we were the world's main reserve currency we had by Nixon's administration more dollars off shore than we could back up with gold. Yeah, but then it must have been Clinton's fault, since his administration repealed the Glass-Steagall act removing those barriers to the banks that held them back from making bigger bucks and really getting our economy just lifting into the stratosphere. Oh yeah, but then he had too since both Dems really are the other party of big biz next to the Repubs. Ssssh but don't tell anyone that. So then the banks started with this derivative BS and really sunk our economy with their immoral speculation. Then the Lehman Brothers collapsed because the world found out the derivatives were one giant ponzi scheme and no one wanted the buck to stop at the desk. And that meant housing bubble popped, because after all it was the masses who were the big suckers in the ponzi scheme believing that houses and land just increased in value every year like day follows night.

But that is Capitalism for you. And you know what, since what we now have is a global economy it isn't just America it is the whole freakn world that has been hit by the GFC. And it ain't going to stop because profit is number one not public good under Capitalism. We are all just greedy self centered immoral by birth. Right? The only thing we can do is give into more Capitalism, free up the free market even more. Never mind it means harsher austerity for us all, as we the 99% who make everything are made to pay for the speculation of the banking corporate world. We are made to pay for their greed.

And we all know the free market is really free, don't we? Not really chaos at all.

Or would you rather wake up now, and consider a world that allocates its unequally dispersed natural resources rationally. A world where science applies, a world in which we the 99% get to elect our representatives from our own ranks (rather than forced to select from the limited batch representing the extremely wealthy and corporates), a world where we don't get enslaved. Its a dream only if you never wake up.

Originally posted by Rosha

Nazi's Elected to Greek Parliament

www.news.com.au

THE Greek neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party will enter parliament for the first time in nearly 40 years, exit polls showed as ballots closed in an early election that could derail the country's reforms.

The party is calculated to win between six and eight percent of the vote on rising immigration and crime concerns, comfortably above the three-percent threshold required for to enter parliament.

Read more: www.news.com.au...

(visit the link for the full news article)

Did you mention the Communists? The Greeks are going extreme: Nazis & Communists.

Not surprising considering the economic mess they're in (it's coming our way too).

Germany was on the verge of turning Communist, if it hadn't been for Hitler. The Prussians considered the Communists to be more dangerous than the Nazis.

Originally posted by HumanCondition

Originally posted by InfoKartel
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So exactly what has the Jewish community done to you to make you rather be a nazi? Did they kill everyone you care for or are you just being dumb and immature because that's what's cool?

They control a corrupt scam called the financial system which has caused billions of people to die.

So do you believe, that all Jewish people are in on this? If so, you simply need a reality check. Logistically and socially speaking; it's impossible. Then...Zionism does not equal Jewish community. Furthermore, count the many creeds of corrupt bankers, it's not one group of people who are responsible for the crisis - that's nonsense.

TL;DR : You're spreading ignorance.

Originally posted by InfoKartel

Originally posted by HumanCondition

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by HumanCondition

 

So exactly what has the Jewish community done to you to make you rather be a nazi? Did they kill everyone you care for or are you just being dumb and immature because that's what's cool?

They control a corrupt scam called the financial system which has caused billions of people to die.

So do you believe, that all Jewish people are in on this? If so, you simply need a reality check. Logistically and socially speaking; it's impossible. Then...Zionism does not equal Jewish community. Furthermore, count the many creeds of corrupt bankers, it's not one group of people who are responsible for the crisis - that's nonsense.

TL;DR : You're spreading ignorance.

Well of course not but they do use their Jewishness as an excuse i.e. they will call you anti semitic or something like that for pointing out something wrong they do.
The Jewish control of the financial system is something benefits a lot of jews tho, they have a monopoly on the easy jobs, quick money and almost anything worth having a monopoly on.
They have used guilt among other despicable things to accomplish this.

The financial system is primarily Jewish run and the top banks/bankers are jewish.

Originally posted by HumanCondition

Originally posted by InfoKartel

Originally posted by HumanCondition

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by HumanCondition

 

So exactly what has the Jewish community done to you to make you rather be a nazi? Did they kill everyone you care for or are you just being dumb and immature because that's what's cool?

They control a corrupt scam called the financial system which has caused billions of people to die.

So do you believe, that all Jewish people are in on this? If so, you simply need a reality check. Logistically and socially speaking; it's impossible. Then...Zionism does not equal Jewish community. Furthermore, count the many creeds of corrupt bankers, it's not one group of people who are responsible for the crisis - that's nonsense.

TL;DR : You're spreading ignorance.

Well of course not but they do use their Jewishness as an excuse i.e. they will call you anti semitic or something like that for pointing out something wrong they do.
The Jewish control of the financial system is something benefits a lot of jews tho, they have a monopoly on the easy jobs, quick money and almost anything worth having a monopoly on.
They have used guilt among other despicable things to accomplish this.

The financial system is primarily Jewish run and the top banks/bankers are jewish.

Saying this again because you must have missed it earlier in the thread HC. In your rush to judgment, please keep in mind that not ONE of the current cartel banking familes is in any way genetically related to the tribe of Judah aka " The Jews". You may be confusing genetic/racial issues with people who have converted or claim to be " of the Jewish religion/faith". The two are not automatically synonymous.

That you and too many jump to this conclusion and believe they are synonmous is an exceptional spotlight on just how insideous and complete the propoganda of these folks really is - the liars and abusers not the Jews as a race.

The Cuckoo bird hides its eggs in the nest of other birds too..hatching there doesnt make it more or less a Cuckoo.


Ro

Originally posted by Tallone
And we all know the free market is really free, don't we? Not really chaos at all.
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Tallone...
If you are suggesting the only alternative to what is..is nazism and communism..you're misinformed...or maybe just too depressed to consider the amazing number of possible alternatives that also require will courage and common sense. Either way..electing nazi's is a choice..and one Greece will have to stand accountable for.



Ro

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We are being told that a few [neo] Nazis get elected, but we are not being told how many communists were also elected.

How many socialists of all flavors were elected? That is more important information than the number of National Socialists.

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the globalists are playing the folk like a fiddle.

Originally posted by CharlesMartel
reply to post by Rosha

 

We are being told that a few [neo] Nazis get elected, but we are not being told how many communists were also elected.

How many socialists of all flavors were elected? That is more important information than the number of National Socialists.

I've a friend in Greece keeping tabs..he says next month will be the determining time for them all, as things shake down and settle..we will all know by then who's got exactly what seat count etc..


Ro

Originally posted by CharlesMartel
reply to post by Rosha

 

We are being told that a few [neo] Nazis get elected, but we are not being told how many communists were also elected.

How many socialists of all flavors were elected? That is more important information than the number of National Socialists.

3 different communist parties were elected.SIRIZA with 16,78% and 52 members in the parliament,KKE(greek communist party) with 8,48% with 26 members and DIM-AR with 6,11% and 19 members.
Those are the official results.
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None of the parties is strong enouh to create a goverment,so if they don't manage to find a solution among them we will propably have elections again on June 10th.

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by Rosha

Nazi's Elected to Greek Parliament

www.news.com.au

THE Greek neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party will enter parliament for the first time in nearly 40 years, exit polls showed as ballots closed in an early election that could derail the country's reforms.

The party is calculated to win between six and eight percent of the vote on rising immigration and crime concerns, comfortably above the three-percent threshold required for to enter parliament.

Read more: www.news.com.au...

(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 7-5-2012 by Rosha because: typos

This has ALL been planned I can assure you. The plan has been to flood non-white immigrants into white countries which would than cause a backlash against immigration by the general public. The Neo-Nazis come along and vow to stop all immigration and the public accepts allowing the Nazis to regain control of not just one country this time but all white nations giving them immense power to create a dictatorship one world order.

Being Greek, I find what you wrote very insightful. Our country has been flooded with immigrants especially for the past 10 years and it's been a hellish situation for all of us.A small percentage of them are decent people who work for a living and we embrace them as we understand their need for a better future,anyone could be in their place at any time,but the vast majority consists of people who are in this country illegally, have NO jobs, no desire to make a decent living and instead rape, kill and are involved in every kind of trafficking you can imagine. A man's throat was slit a year ago just because an immigrant wanted his video camera.The man was waiting outside his house for his wife to come out so he could take her to the hospital to have their baby.The list goes on and on. I'm not saying that it's entirely their fault,at the end of the day we are ALL victims of the elite's agenda,but the Greek people are at their wits end.We cannot support this situation any longer,we have so much more to worry about at this point and not being able to step outside our own homes makes the whole thing unbearable to say the least.I'm not surprised the Golden Dawn party got the percentage it got and I'm afraid that as time goes by it will grow higher and higher. The situation was manipulated in such a way that ordinary folks do not see the real danger that such ideologies pose and instead only see a solution to the problem they are facing right now.I hope we don't lose our humanity.

Originally posted by Atisha
You mean you would accept me as a Saint hrm it says so all over town. A German, Israeli, Irish, Epileptic, Schizophrenic.

edit on 8-5-2012 by Atisha because: (no reason given)

I would!

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Ro