Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Jameela
Anyone who knows anything about me knows, I have no love for any wahabi, and the feeling is returned in kind... Eternal enemies are we.
You make an interesting point on that and one I've started looking into and learning about. I've gotten far enough in all that to clearly see you're
right about the divisions within the Islamic followers and just how severe and serious those divisions actually are. People seem to consider the
"Arabs" to be of a single West-Hating mind, when it appears things may be considerably more complex than that.
I wonder, has anyone ever taken a few moments to look at the prisoner list of Gitmo Bay and actually see about putting denomination and sect to each
and stand back for what pattern, if any, might be apparent? I know the list of names went into the public domain a few years ago. Even USA Today
carried that as I recall. Anyway, that could be a fascinating exercise if the outcome did show a pattern one direction or the other.
You also make a good point about being a at least a bit...gracious? Well, we don't have to gloat at the end, anyway. I'm not sure that's what I see
here. I've actually been deliberate here about condeming the Attorney, not the accused.
If I were in Iran, Iraq or Saudi Arabia and on trial...(If I wasn't just beheaded upon capture in Saudi or Iraq, of course) I'd make every request and
nutty demand I figured I could get away with. Why not when the people are going to find guilt, no matter what. If they don't? Heck... Listen to Obama
and Holder about the trial in NYC when a reporter asked if Acquittal for KLM would be release? No...it sure wouldn't. So why not try and throw
wrenches at every turn?
His attorney deserves the verbal abuse though. Part of her job is, literally, to control her Client. A Female defending a male Muslim was patently
insane anyway. There must be a real story behind that one...but I guess when you're guilty before the trial ever starts, the lawyer being assigned
might as well be a P.C. symbol at the same time. It's not like her skill will ever do more than mitigate how BAD it gets for her client.
I already know to what sects are the prisoners at gitmo belong, and yes you will find a very definite pattern. They are according to their own beliefs
a people opposed to my sect. (a very PC way to put it) I follow what you call Shia Islam by the way.
My beliefs concerning most of them are that they are opposed to Islam itself. But I cannot say if they are innocent or guilty. Some there I have heard
were innocent, and tortured.. their stories were horrifying. Just people, wrong place wrong time, falsely accused. Others I do not know if they were
or not, or just bad men... 9/11 happened, but also I think the US government had a very large hand in it. Whether or not it was just allowed, or
contrived by the US I do not know. And none of us will ever know I doubt. There are way too many questions on that to pin it on the arab men alone
I am willing to paint the sect as something that opposes the truth that is Islam Any sect which seeks to 'purify' and 'cleanse' the religion has some
serious issues, especially while their actions are anything but cleansing or purifying, and in most cases in opposition to the religion itself.
If they had been imprisoned in their own countries they would have male lawyers, I am sure a female lawyer was appointed them for a specific design.
Everything they are doing now is grandstanding, they want people to know of the torture, and the more they grandstand the more will hear. Also I think
their minds are gone, they underwent too much torture, and are crazed now. It is why, even if found innocent of all charges the US cannot allow them
free. I believe everyone knows this.
Do I think some right should be afforded them, either to have the tribunal male, or to have the women at least dress modestly, yes. If they were tried
in their own countries this would be a given.
I do not understand a military detention camp in Cuba being called the United States. It does not make sense to me.
I know you all think that torture of them was right and good, and that they should be allowed no respect because you do not think they are human
beings. But even the most evil man is still a human, and you are about to kill him.. I am certain this will put an end to more suffering than was
deserved, but I do not understand a mentality, from anyone, that would deprive the last days to have dignity.
When someone goes through atrocity, even if they were not religious before, they will become so because that is the only source of strength, for that
kind of strength must only come from the depths of a soul, from inside, as well as outside in the form of your God. And the only way to reach that
depth is through religion, through prayer. Also, when you believe any second will be your last, you will need that time for forgiveness, for begging
of your Lord. Religion is going to be seen in such a situation in a much more definite and much more pronounced sense than any normal situation of
life. Even the smallest of things one will cling tightly too. It is all they have, and the only source for strength. I do not know if anyone can
understand that part. But the situation is so far outside the ordinary, that the religion will be matched to outside the ordinary.
7-5-2012 by Jameela because: (no reason given)