Tornadoes spotlight Fukushima as extinction threat and use (!) to divert from truth of GFC..., page 2

reply to post by Glassbender777

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"enough radiation"? And, how much would that be, exactly? How much is in all four reactors, and what chemicals make this up?

More "disaster fear porn." This is exactly the wild stuff people were saying for the oil spill...a la

"The sea floor is CRACKING!" (still waiting...)

"The sea floor could collapse!!" (still waiting...)

"Oceans of blood! Revelations x:x!" (still waiting...)

Anyone here other than me willing to admit that they don't know what will happen, and that maybe we will survive this? *Gasp* That would be much worse news for a lot of people here, I judge from the comments. It would mean having to put up with more of the same for who knows how long. Now, that's scary.

Originally posted by daynight42
reply to post by Glassbender777

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"enough radiation"? And, how much would that be, exactly? How much is in all four reactors, and what chemicals make this up?

More "disaster fear porn." This is exactly the wild stuff people were saying for the oil spill...a la

"The sea floor is CRACKING!" (still waiting...)

"The sea floor could collapse!!" (still waiting...)

"Oceans of blood! Revelations x:x!" (still waiting...)

Anyone here other than me willing to admit that they don't know what will happen, and that maybe we will survive this? *Gasp* That would be much worse news for a lot of people here, I judge from the comments. It would mean having to put up with more of the same for who knows how long. Now, that's scary.

Ok, I think you've made your point a few to many times on this post, "What Kind of Chemicals"..... I dont know, whatever makes Radiation at a nuclear reactor, usually uranium-235 or plutonium-239 are the main components of these fuels. Im not a Nuclear scientist, What kind of chemicals Do YOU think is in those pools and reactors. Hmmmm

Originally posted by Glassbender777

Originally posted by daynight42
reply to post by Glassbender777

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"enough radiation"? And, how much would that be, exactly? How much is in all four reactors, and what chemicals make this up?

More "disaster fear porn." This is exactly the wild stuff people were saying for the oil spill...a la

"The sea floor is CRACKING!" (still waiting...)

"The sea floor could collapse!!" (still waiting...)

"Oceans of blood! Revelations x:x!" (still waiting...)

Anyone here other than me willing to admit that they don't know what will happen, and that maybe we will survive this? *Gasp* That would be much worse news for a lot of people here, I judge from the comments. It would mean having to put up with more of the same for who knows how long. Now, that's scary.

Ok, I think you've made your point a few to many times on this post, "What Kind of Chemicals"..... I dont know, whatever makes Radiation at a nuclear reactor, usually uranium-235 or plutonium-239 are the main components of these fuels. Im not a Nuclear scientist, What kind of chemicals Do YOU think is in those pools and reactors. Hmmmm

The danger is not from the water the danger is the spent fuel rods themselves. The spent rods give off considerable amounts of “decay heat” and thus must be submerged in constantly circulating water. zirconium cladding on the fuel rods could burst into flames if exposed to air for a few hours, giving off large amounts of radioactive cesium-137, a very toxic element with a half-life of thirty years. When cesium-137 it enters the environment, it essentially acts like potassium and is taken up by plants and animals that use potassium.Which includes humans as well.Locally it would be devastating.However globally the risk is minimal since nuclear testing in the 50s and 60s released for more then what these fuel rods have.

The Japanese are not willing to spend the money necessarily to dispose of these properly.The best way is called a dry cask effectively steel boxes filled with an inert gas which doesn't allow the fuel rods to burn.Cesium will not ignite in less exposed to a catalyst such as oxygen. Right now they keep trying t o get off cheap by continuing to circulate water to keep them cool mostly because the expense but Japan is running the risk of contaminating everything within 100 miles of that plant with lethal radiation.This is what happened in Chernobyl until they incased the entire reactor building.

reply to post by Tallone

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Just to point out, isnt it interesting how this disaster could be a possible end of most human life in the northern hemisphere, right before a presidential election? Oh and also the World Olympic Games?

Interesting how this just 'happens' at the right time for a accidental media block out.

I am sure that it is being block purposely to keep the public unaware of whats really going on . Thats what governments do. Have you people not payed any attention to Hollywood movies? Dont you see the government always downplaying every catastrophe and disaster to a minimum to keep the public in darkness? And they lie and keep truth from the public at all costs not to alarm any suspicion or panic until its too late and everyone finds out themself?

Thats been their plan the whole time. Keep everyone in the dark, so nobody asks questions and tell us 'conspiracy theorists' who they say are the morons and terrorists because we bring up the question, cause the rest of the population who is the majority tell us "Well I didnt see it on the news, so its not a problem".

reply to post by goldcrow

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I understand your concerns, but it seems like you are reaching a bit with this. Totally understand that we've still got a nuclear plant melting down the northeastern area of Japan, but this was just news on a tornado that hit, i doubt anyone is trying to divert anytihng.

You need to re read the first post. Are you are wearing your boots over your head or something? The tornado (actually Japanese authorities believe there could have been multiple) was not a diversion...sheesh, come on.

The mere fact extreme weather is unpredictable highlights the disaster that is ongoing, but of which very very little news is being released. Either from Japan or from official sources abroad.

Yes, you are right tornadoes are not common in Japan. They have had them over the years, much smaller ones, often accompanying the official typhoon season, which is still several months away as yet. This draws attention to the dire situation, the repercussions of maintaining a coverup by authorities both within and outside of Japan. Remember it isn't just Japan affected. It will be the Northern hemisphere and the contamination will reach the Southern hemisphere too eventually. What the freak extreme weather phenomenon does is to sharply bring into focus the dire outcomes of the neglect to take action by both governments and the nuclear industry in general.

Behind this neglect, apparent and irrational disinterest, lies the greed of the controlling elites and their overriding concern to protect their profit in the face of the GFC. They are deathly afraid of the masses rejecting the Capitalist model completely, which I think will be inevitable. I am just hoping against hope we will get to survive nuclear contamination of our environment enough to enjoy a new social, economic, and political model - i.e. the new world.

The population of Honshu in particularly are becoming increasingly aware of the truth about Daiichi, that the situation has not improved, but gotten much worse. That land contaminated by fallout will not be liveable in their lifetimes, or for generations, that the government is not able to fix a nuclear meltdown. The people are growing angry. The threat of increasing public unrest was the reason the Japanese government threw them the fig leaf of the nation wide close down of all nuclear plants, completed days ago. But this cannot last forever. Japan has no viable energy resources waiting in the wings enough to supply its economy. They will turn those nuclear power plants back on again. Japan also needs to maintain support for a nuclear weapons program BTW. But that is another story.

The reason the world appears to allow Fukushima to continue I believe is primarily because of the GFC which represents now the end of the viability of the Capitalist system. First up, fixing Fukushima is seen as too expensive and probably impossible. Second, maintaining the situation creates a distraction from the current political shenanigans and upheavals on the go everywhere. But now I am going over ground already covered in the first post which you need to read again...

reply to post by daynight42

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You sound smart, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Get real and let people who do have an idea be the ones to try to answer the question. Be okay with "I don't know." That's a more honest answer than anything else if you really don't know.

If someone kept on and on insisting that I don't know what I am talking about I would ask them to give me the correct answer or get on their way.

You would like my credentials? Before you ask I would ask you to present your own first. Hopefully they are not in the field of chemistry, because I am fairly certain mine would be more impressive than your own.

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WOOOOAH Wait up there. I have just replied to a post to Glassbender777.
WTF, a feeling of split personalities overcoming me. Never mind. I reckon I stand by the post anyway. No need for anyone to show disrespect to others here. I reckon the check posted by Glassbender777 was well in order and for that reason will leave my 'mistake' as is. Lets keep things civil people. Let's focus on the issue focused on in the thread.

reply to post by Tallone

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Where are you living?
Because i can't see a "Cover Up" of this Disaster!

Here in Japan we still get our daily Updates starting in the Morning TV from Daiichi,
the International Press is reporting Non-Stop
and a scientific Exchange of Data is in process!

You must living somewhere in the Desert or do not understand a real "Cover Up",

a Cover Up is that every 7 Seconds a Baby/ Child is dieing because of Malnutrition

but there is no Cover Up about F'Shima!

Days since 03/11 424

Since this Accident happened more than 5.233.370 Kids Died because of our Ignorance

This is the real Cover Up!

Realitycheck!

reply to post by Tallone

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Maybe we need to get glass domes built over Countries which will be affected by this thing if it goes...

I dunno..... i really wish the msm would finally tell the truth about everything but i gotta wonder who is controlling the msm???

reply to post by Tallone

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I want to spotlight the recent freak tornadoes to hit the east coast of Japan as a real example of precisely why Fukushima should be the focus of world efforts to end the ongoing contamination in the air and water of the northern hemisphere.

That doesn't make any sense. You might want to try using a dictionary. Maybe a little bit of punctuation here and there to make it easier on the eyes, too.

But back to that sentence again. What does it mean ? Please elaborate. The idea that Fukushima is used to draw attention away from anything is in itself utterly ridiculous, since Fukushima is almost not mentioned in the news. How can something that's not mentioned in the news draw attention ?

reply to post by H1ght3chHippie

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That doesn't make any sense. You might want to try using a dictionary. Maybe a little bit of punctuation here and there to make it easier on the eyes, too. But back to that sentence again. What does it mean ? Please elaborate. The idea that Fukushima is used to draw attention away from anything is in itself utterly ridiculous, since Fukushima is almost not mentioned in the news. How can something that's not mentioned in the news draw attention ?

Punctuation smunctuation. But I will try.

Ridiculous? Why?

Consider for the way we get our news. Mostly through the TV. Mostly in 30 second items that tell us nothing in depth. We are given very little to explain what is happening. Very little in the way of analysis. And by analysis I don't mean a summary. I mean an attempt to draw connections to points past present and future, to facts we need to know about to understand a story. And most of all explanations that go beyond the immediacy of mere description. So that we understand the wider implications.

Investigative journalism in MSM has ceased to exist. The last time we had a real investigative story in MSM was Watergate. Since then we have had corporation dictated propaganda. Look at what the news coverage of Libya, and of Syria now. Coverage that was spin to lay the ground work for war, murder, mayhem.

So apart from not feeding us the full facts any longer, we are lied to. The news through TV is reduced to a spin, and magazine type sensationalism. We learn very little, and yet we think we get informed. The news has become a vehicle for propaganda and very little else. That is an effective coverup by officials.

In the case of Fukushima since the very beginning of the disaster, there has been an attempt to divert attention away from the seriousness of the disaster. The fact the danger from the power plant has increased not decreased since March 2011. The fact we who are not living in Fukushima province Japan should be concerned about radioactive contaminants (radioactive isotopes) that lodge themselves in our tissues and that cause eventually severe damage to the surrounding organs. We need be less concerned about say gamma rays coming from the damaged power plant. These contaminants are carried in water and in food and in particals of dust right to us. No one in the Northern hemisphere is safe from them. In fact eventually contaminants from Fukushima ejected into the jet streams and into the ocean find their way to the Southern hemisphere.

We hear a lot about the tsunami, and the earthquake, the victims, the damage we hear very very little about the state of Fukushima and the contamination it is bringing to all of us. That is a cover up. Japanese people are learning more about it every day. They have been lied to constantly by their government and by officials since the catastrophe began. However, protests grow bigger as people realise the situation is far worse than they were told. The Japanese government has responded to public demand by ceasing the production of power from their nuclear plants around the country. But this is only a temporary measure aimed at appeasing the population.

Don't you think a catastrophe on this scale, with the potential to cause the extinction of perhaps all of humanity eventually should get a little more coverage in the media? Wouldn't you think by now, rather than governments attempting to focus on the 'war on terror', on the 'threat' of nuclear strikes from Iran, from North Korea, from China, from Russia, would be very concerned about the most immediate nuclear threat of Fukushima?

Shouldn't Fukushima be in the news EVERY night? What are we getting instead? News about impending civil war in Syria, the need to end the rule of Assad, and the rule of Ahmadinejad in Iran. We are being primed for war again. And yet the real war should be exacted against the ongoing contamination spreading from Fukushima.

You might well ask yourself why they are not talking about Fukushima every night? Telling us what they are doing to assist the Japanese. My argument I have already stated in bold type at the bottom of my post above. Re Frankenstein and the villagers.

Consider the role opportunism plays in all of this.
Consider since March 2011 how the GFC has become far far worse, and how now there is every attempt being made to divert us all from disaster that is the world economy.
Consider why nothing, nothing at all has been done to stop Fukushima puffing away in the light of the GFC and the collapse of Capitalism.

Big ideas to consider. It is the kind of stuff that makes you question your understanding of the world you live in and what you have been taught, of history itself.

Originally posted by Human0815
reply to post by Tallone

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Where are you living?
Because i can't see a "Cover Up" of this Disaster!

Here in Japan we still get our daily Updates starting in the Morning TV from Daiichi,
the International Press is reporting Non-Stop
and a scientific Exchange of Data is in process!

Yea, that's what i'm saying, just in general...gotta be here to understand what the Japanese people see on a daily basis. Plus the ones who are extra concerned (as more should be) look to overseas media sources for any additional info that might not be included in the Japanese news.

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