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reply to post by OccamsRazor04

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Actually...it is you who do not understand. Time and Space are one in the same thus we call it Space/Time Continum. Time is defined as a particle of Matter or Energy in motion. Without Energy and matter in motion there can be no Time nor can there be Space as Space is defined by the distance Celestial Objects or particles are between each other and at what velocity they are in motion.

There is NOTHING in this Universal Reality that is not in Motion nor is there Distance or Velocity without Particles of Matter and Energy.

Thus Time cannot be seperated from Space nor Space exist without Matter or Energy in Motion.

So you see...This is why Time is Relative as Space/Time Geometry is Relative around any Gravity Well. Time is not something that exists seperate unto itself and as Space/Time is Warped by any Celestial Body....Spacial Distances are also warped and thus Time is warped.

This Warping of Space/Time that allows the Shuttle Clock experiment to have the shuttle clock be a bit behind the Earth bound clock....is an example of Non-Linear Time. Time has no beginning or end and has no middle. All Space/Time occurances are tied and running concurrent as past and future are one in the same in any One Dimentional Expression of Universal Geometric Reality. Split Infinity

Originally posted by orionthehunter
reply to post by SpearMint

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Anything may be possible but in my experience of what I have seen, life is based on molecular activity and if that activity is extremely small, the chances for life should be extremely small as well. I believe the vast majority of life will need some amount of heat to evolve or even to develop. I'm not saying heat sources are not present. I'm just saying I believe the chances of life developing on a planet with no heat sources near absolute zero are slim to none.

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Yup, at absolute zero (Kelvin), all molecular motion stops and it would be impossible for life to exist.

reply to post by SplitInfinity

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Several things here, the first is whether space and time are the exact same thing. I believe Minkowski geometry shows that they are not the same thing. We can agree they are intricately tied.

The rest does not support your claim, instead it supports mine, that they experienced time differently, one did not leap forward in time. With that I am done, I do not enjoy walking in circles, do not reply to say the same thing again.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by orionthehunter
reply to post by SpearMint

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Anything may be possible but in my experience of what I have seen, life is based on molecular activity and if that activity is extremely small, the chances for life should be extremely small as well. I believe the vast majority of life will need some amount of heat to evolve or even to develop. I'm not saying heat sources are not present. I'm just saying I believe the chances of life developing on a planet with no heat sources near absolute zero are slim to none.

edit on 6/5/12 by orionthehunter because: (no reason given)

Yup, at absolute zero (Kelvin), all molecular motion stops and it would be impossible for life to exist.

This is true, but absolute zero is not found in space. There is a universal 3 degree increase due to microwave background radiation. I think this is still plenty cold to assume life could never form in such conditions.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by orionthehunter
reply to post by SpearMint

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Anything may be possible but in my experience of what I have seen, life is based on molecular activity and if that activity is extremely small, the chances for life should be extremely small as well. I believe the vast majority of life will need some amount of heat to evolve or even to develop. I'm not saying heat sources are not present. I'm just saying I believe the chances of life developing on a planet with no heat sources near absolute zero are slim to none.

edit on 6/5/12 by orionthehunter because: (no reason given)

Yup, at absolute zero (Kelvin), all molecular motion stops and it would be impossible for life to exist.

This is true, but absolute zero is not found in space. There is a universal 3 degree increase due to microwave background radiation. I think this is still plenty cold to assume life could never form in such conditions.

Correct, absolute zero is only theoretical.
Of course, we have many extremophiles, mostly bacteria, that can live at extremely low and extremely high temperatures encountered here on earth, so it wouldn't be entirely out of the question for life to develop in a very cold environment. Probably not life as wel know it, but life nonetheless.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04

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WOW! So you say I am repeating myself? LOL! The basic issue here is that you are constrained to one concept of what Time Travel should be defined as...when it appears you do not have a clue as to what I am getting at.

You are taking a position that Time is passing at a slower rate abourd the shuttle and that Time on Earth is passing by faster or at normal speed. This is not what is happening. Time is being observed and percieved by the Astronauts not only by their own Mental sensory accessing of their internal mental clocks but an Astronauts Biological Clock is also abiding by the Human Bodies natural functions on many levels including Cellular as well as by Neurological functions.

A person may percieve Time as relative such as the saying...Time flies when your having fun...but the body as well as a persons Subconscious keeps perfect time. The Subconscious being the equivelent to a Computer that stores as well as having the ability to access EVERYTHING THAT A HUMAN BEINGS SENSORY IMPUT AS WELL AS BIOLOGICAL INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY TO PASSING OF TIME....DOES NOT VIEW TIME AS RELATIVE BUT AS A CONSTANT. If properly trained...a person does not need an alarm clock to wake themselves at any particular time. A small exapmle of this ability is displayed in one of my Jobs as being a Musician...there is not only a need to be able to play in time but also have the ability to play a note in what is called an anticipated beat or in laymens terms...the ability to strike a note or drum on a timing that is previous in the timeline of a set timing beat. This ability is a Subconcious access to the Human Mental Calculation of an exact and precise time of anticipated beforehand quantitative time. Thus...the musicians without having to think about it...feel exactly when this note or beat is to take place before the timing of a measure.

This anticipated beat can be only a tiny fraction of a second or even one third of a second but all are able to feel when this anticipated beat will and must occur and with complex musical pieces it is not as simple as a previous half time beat or a quarter but can be complex 7/16th's of a second.

Now on the Shuttle...the Astronauts experience Time the Same way that People on Earth do...the Astronauts bodies experience time as a constant and so does their subconcious keep and record this time passage. What is occuring is not a slow down in Time but a change in their Bodies and Clocks velocity and distance from the Earths Gravity Well. This next part is key. Unlike any other form of percieved movement of Matter that is placed into motion by Force...Gravity is not a Force and any object or even particle/waveform of Energy...is effected by Gravity. Force such as electromagnetic or Kinetic Transfer via a form of Physical Propultion such as burning fuel to move a piston or burning chemical fuels to again propel an object via kinetic transfer or even Particle Bombardment that again moves an object by kinetic transfer....all of these things are either motion through magnetic attraction or repultion or are Kinetic Transfer by direct collision of another object or particle or Kinetic Force pushing an object by burning a fuel that is directed to move matter to forcibly move other matter. But not in the case of Gravity.

When you drop an apple...what is causing it to drop? There is no Kinetic Force pushing it...there is no rocket attached to it...there is no Magnetic attraction...so why does it drop? What makes it move? In reality...the apple is not actually moving but rather existing at different points of position along a path that is being governed by the effect of One Dimentionality that is being accessed by the existance of Earths Gravity well as this well is an expression of Singularity or One Dimentionality.

Even though our Universal Space/Time Geometry is governed by many Dimentional states...some say 10 or 11...I believe more...all of these dimentional states are partialy governed by one another. In a One Dimentional aspect of Space/Time...all Time as well as Points of Position in our Universe are the same point and the same time. THIS is why Traveling at High Velocity away from a Celestial Bodies Gravity well will allow such a craft and people in it to experience Time as it is Governed by the Spacial Geometry thus Dialation occurs and they are literally Jumping Space/Time to a point that governs where and when. Split Infinity

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