Why I chose Mitt Romney over Ron Paul and Barack Huessein Obama II

Oh, I am SO very glad you tried to pull this.

"Well he has also flip flopped on evolution, climate change, being racist, or not?"

When you dig up your "facts", be sure to include them in full context. Here, I'll help.

Climate - newhampshireprimary.blogspot.com...

In 2008, Ron Paul had this to say about global warming:

It is clear that the earth experiences natural cycles in temperature. However, science shows that human activity probably does play a role in stimulating the current fluctuations.

By 2009, Paul was singing a different tune:

The greatest hoax I think that has been around for many, many years if not hundreds of years has been this hoax on [...] global warming.”

It might turn out to be one of the biggest hoaxes of all history, this whole global warming terrorism that they’ve been using, but we’ll have to just wait and see, but it cannot be helpful.

---

Wow, serious flip-flop, huh? No. Read. Read in context. He was not "singing a different tune". He is voicing what he considers an opinion after a year of the issue being brought up. It is not different, it is more educated and more informed.

This is not what a flip-flop looks like. This is what learning more of a topic as time goes on looks like.

If you can't understand the difference and the importance, we're all done here with regard to how we can proceed in conversation.

I flip-flopped from not being awake and aware in '04 to being awake and aware, after. It took a while to wake up fully. My positions changed because my view of the world became more clear, and more educated. Can't RP do the same?

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by fourthmeal
The only thing he's truly flip-flopped on is Capital Punishment. The rest is contextual, which happens to be a constant thing the media likes to get him saying he's doing. How many times have you heard the media ask question that has a ridiculous possible answer, pinning him? The answer is that the truth is not just black and white, yes and no. The truth is that the entire system is shades of gray and full of corruption, and he's against that corruption and publicly so. Meanwhile, fellas like Romney keep saying, they'll keep the FED, DHS, NDAA, CISPA, all going because that's what we need to be safe at night.

All the other flip-flopping is for good reason. Like when the situation changes, the circumstances create necessity to change due to change in, say, someone's stance that he once supported (Reagan.) That's not real flip-flopping. Flip-flopping is voting or going a direction because one special interest group says so, then later changing because another says so. You will simply not find this in RP's voting history.

Oh, he did flip-flop on one other thing. He was going to be on Trump's debate, then decided F-that. LOL. Good one.

Wow. So in other words, its ok for Ron Paul to flip flop because he is against the establishment and Romney is not. Got it! Well he has also flip flopped on evolution, climate change, being racist, or not? I'm not sure, he doesn't remember... and he's also against gays despite the leave it alone policies he is always talking about!

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by fourthmeal

 

sorry im not going to trust your paper

I need cold hard FACTS on this...

LOL it isn't my paper.

Hope you know statistics, good luck!

docs.google.com...

Be sure to view the final pages, beginning approx at page 194, for source information for this document.

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by Damrod

 

Not going to watch it.... For reasons of authenticity... Seen too many one sided videos in regards to Anti-Ron Paul sentiment... If you don't like Ron Paul, they have a video for you to sway you...

Seems a little fishy to me

The video is not pro-paul and anti-romney. It is the TRUTH of the matter.



Man when will you Romney supporters wake up and admit that fraud is the only way you'll win? LOL this guy is going to JAIL for your campaign. Hope it was worth it.

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That's fine. It just shows Romney supporters wearing Ron Paul shirts and handing out ballots for delegates. The ballot says Ron Paul but all of the delegate candidates are Romney supporters.

Just a little bit of fraud... "Please return to grazing and ignore it...."

Originally posted by fourthmeal
Oh, I am SO very glad you tried to pull this.

"Well he has also flip flopped on evolution, climate change, being racist, or not?"

When you dig up your "facts", be sure to include them in full context. Here, I'll help.

Climate - newhampshireprimary.blogspot.com...

In 2008, Ron Paul had this to say about global warming:

It is clear that the earth experiences natural cycles in temperature. However, science shows that human
Wow, serious flip-flop, huh? No. Read. Read in context. He was not "singing a different tune". He is voicing what he considers an opinion after a year of the issue being brought up. It is not different, it is more educated and more informed.

This is not what a flip-flop looks like. This is what learning more of a topic as time goes on looks like.

If you can't understand the difference and the importance, we're all done here with regard to how we can proceed in conversation.

I flip-flopped from not being awake and aware in '04 to being awake and aware, after. It took a while to wake up fully. My positions changed because my view of the world became more clear, and more educated. Can't RP do the same?

I can say the same to you about, Romney, stop listening to stupid Obama-made videos and Ron Paul fanboys trying to bring Romney down, research his talking points just as much as research Ron Paul's! I dare you, but you won't you'll just find more anti-Romney videos and decide that that's all you need for truth! Well, some researcher you are. And you have only proved that Ron Paul flip flopped on Climate Change, what about his racism or anti-semite stances, or 9/11 truth remarks or earmarks he gets or his newsletters which he has selectively forgotten that he wrote... I could go on and on and on but you will continue to defend your man til the end of the earth because you are soooo brainwashed by his stupid rhetoric that you cannot get your head out of the ground and realize he is just like all the others! He's actually a bit worse, since none of his laws has passed and yet he wants us to listen to how great he'll be as President!

But if that's not enough to get you to listen. I'm gonna list more points about why Ron Paul is crap!

Doddering fool
Nut, nutcase, nutty
Lying liar
Crazy
Idiot
Old
Senile
Cranky
Not presidential
Gets angry
Rambles incoherently
Out of touch with reality
Suits are rumple
Investment profits from system he fights against
Gold standard nut
Extremist
Outside the mainstream
RINO
Racist
Made money from racist newsletter
Anti-Israel, anti-Semite, anti-Jew
Against education and children
Against people with AIDS
Against gays
Wants everyone addicted to drugs
Isolationist
Against national defense
Supports the terrorists
Blames America
Weak on foreign policy
Wants another Hitler
Wants Iran to nuke us
Conspiracy theorist
9/11 truther
Lacks compassion
Hypocrite – gets earmarks
Unelectable
Unfairly affects polls, surveys, voting
Buys off other campaign’s chairman
Not a leader
Never accomplished anything
Did not pass legislation
Supporters are:
Rude
Minions
Crazy
Fanatical
Cult worshippers
Koolaid drinkers
Zombies
Robotic non-thinkers (Paulbots)
Spammers and trollers

I agree with a lot of Ron Paul's ideas...but a practical implementation in a 1st world country with nearly 400 Million people, is not realistic. His answer to someone without healthcare getting sick? "We'd do what we did in the old days. Go to your community church. Have them take care of you." ...What the f***? I like Ron....but a lot of his answers while amusing, are batsh*t crazy. So if someone is in the last stage of liver cancer and has no money for health insurance, they should go to their local church???? A 1st world super power cannot just shrug its shoulders and ignore the fact that health....should not be a business. You bet your a** that if it isn't a Democrat in office...it will be a Republican or an Independent that implements some kind of national healthcare insurance. No way around it.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

You totally nailed it

I never understood why it's okay for RP to get away with despicable acts

but if Romney can't collect words properly, he's evil

It's because the Ron Paul people are truly against rich people and success, they are worse than communists because they don't understand that their policies are truly communist as its the only way their policies can be implemented on a global scale with more big government policies!

We already have a big government, correction huge government, and it works for the interest of big business and american globalisation. I am against this but that does not make me a communist. I despise communism just as much as capitalism. Some things belong in the public sector and some things belong in the private sector.

Ron Paul does NOT want a big government, period! Yes libertarians are somewhat dellusional in that they believe in free markets without corporations. Ever since the industrial revolution banks and other big corporations have DOMINATED the free markets, which were never really free to begin with. It is like a marathon runner getting a huge lead and keeping it throughout the race. That is exactly what captialism is.

People need to start leaning way left if they ever hope to start balancing the scales and it will be anything but easy! The fact socialism and communism are extremely dirty words speaks volumes of how effective the ptb propaganda has been.

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Didn't Ron Paul call McCain old in 2008?

isn't Ron Paul older than McCain now????

that's hypocritical too!

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

Didn't Ron Paul call McCain old in 2008?

isn't Ron Paul older than McCain now????

that's hypocritical too!

76 years (August 20, 1935)
Ron Paul

75 years (August 29, 1936)
John McCain

You said, "Isn't Ron Paul older than McCain now????"

How the hell do you get older than someone else "now"?



Also you are alleging that he said McCain is old in 2008. Evidence?

You said, "Isn't Ron Paul older than McCain now????"

How the hell do you get older than someone else "now"?

Who's more insane? The Nut who started this ridiculous thread or the people who are allowing themselves to get dragged into it?

Seriously, for the second time, this guy is trolling with y'all.

reply to post by jjf3rd77
i disagree with a lot of the first points you brought up. but aside from that i'm reading a lot of "he wan'ts too do this or do that". he has laid down no specific plan to do any of these things to my knowledge. they sound like empty promises to get YOUR vote. which apparently has worked.

As for the tax cuts, yeah that sounds great. but we will go deeper and deeper in debt with these piss ant cuts "he wan'ts" to do. there has to be serious cutting for those kind of reduced taxes with out flushing our country down the toilet. we owe A LOT of money. i'm afraid if he wins you will be very disappointed.

Here's more evidence that Ron Paul is a crazy loser who has no idea what he is talking about and only spreading around his ideals... When questioned he starts raising his voice and veering off topic!

Ron Paul dodging question on Abortion, says church will handle it... What if they don't have a church??



Why avoid the questions Ronnie? Because he made money off of them, and I bet he did read them all! He was looking very guilty there.


Ron Paul is clearly racist and seems to forget that it was the republicans who implemented the desegregation laws which he seems to be against....


Your man is an idiot. and the sooner people realize that the better!

Originally posted by solongandgoodnight
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

i disagree with a lot of the first points you brought up. but aside from that i'm reading a lot of "he wan'ts too do this or do that". he has laid down no specific plan to do any of these things to my knowledge. they sound like empty promises to get YOUR vote. which apparently has worked.

Who do you support and why? All politicians do is promise things to get votes. It's their job!

Hey, watch this! My answers are in Bold, and you're bordering on libel here, so watch it.

I can say the same to you about, Romney, stop listening to stupid Obama-made videos and Ron Paul fanboys trying to bring Romney down, research his talking points just as much as research Ron Paul's! I dare you, but you won't you'll just find more anti-Romney videos and decide that that's all you need for truth! Well, some researcher you are. And you have only proved that Ron Paul flip flopped on Climate Change, what about his racism or anti-semite stances, or 9/11 truth remarks or earmarks he gets or his newsletters which he has selectively forgotten that he wrote... I could go on and on and on but you will continue to defend your man til the end of the earth because you are soooo brainwashed by his stupid rhetoric that you cannot get your head out of the ground and realize he is just like all the others! He's actually a bit worse, since none of his laws has passed and yet he wants us to listen to how great he'll be as President!

But if that's not enough to get you to listen. I'm gonna list more points about why Ron Paul is crap!

Doddering fool Opinion, a slur
Nut, nutcase, nutty Opinion, a slur
Lying liar Opinion, a slur
Crazy Opinion, a slur
Idiot Opinion, a slur
Old Opinion, subjective
Senile Opinion, a slur
Cranky Opinion, a slur
Not presidential Opinion,
Gets angry incongruous with his behavior. In contrast watch Romney when questioned, he gets very agitated with questions and answers them like he's in a rush. Not accurate to actual behavior, exception may be when Ron Paul is antagonized or attacked, he will go in defense mode. Another example could be in the movie "Borat", which he was humiliated (but remained a good sport).
Rambles incoherently Opinion, inaccurate as well. I have heard him speak and he does just fine.
Out of touch with reality Opinion
Suits are rumple Opinion, unimportant, and honestly a bit on the excessive when it comes to reasons
Investment profits from system he fights against [Proof needed here, this would be an allegation and proof is required to continue the discussion
Gold standard nut Slur by using the word "nut", however he is pro-precious metals standard, something that is written in our Constitution and was advocated by our founding fathers rather vehemently. Andrew Jackson also a "nut" in this regard.
Extremist Opinion, bordering on slur
Outside the mainstream I'm sure he's proud of that, I sure would be
RINO Opinion, a slur, and incorrect judging by base principles and voting record. Contrastingly, Romney constantly gets labeled this, yet you seem to attribute it to Libertarian views much more than Liberal views.
Racist [Opinion, a slur, and no proof beyond some antiquated letters from a few decades ago.
Made money from racist newsletter see above
Anti-Israel, anti-Semite, anti-Jew Incorrect, Paul remains neutral and wants what Israel said, which is to not be fettered by US troops, nor have aid. Labeling someone Anti-Semite is something that was popularized by Ashkenazi Jews, they use it to attack those that do not fit within their world viewpoints.
Against education and children Opinion, no proof of this anywhere, and seems like you are attacking for the sake of attacking
Against people with AIDS no proof of this
Against gays no proof of this
Wants everyone addicted to drugs no proof of this
Isolationist Opinion, he's actually not an Isolationist, he's more against Nation and Empire building, and more about Defense.
Against national defense Actually voting record does not reflect this. He's against illegal wars, however.
Supports the terrorists now you're just being a #head. Go # yourself
Blames America
Weak on foreign policy
Wants another Hitler
Wants Iran to nuke us
Conspiracy theorist
9/11 truther
Lacks compassion
Hypocrite – gets earmarks
Unelectable
Unfairly affects polls, surveys, voting
Buys off other campaign’s chairman
Not a leader
Never accomplished anything
Did not pass legislation
Supporters are:
Rude
Minions
Crazy
Fanatical
Cult worshippers
Koolaid drinkers
Zombies
Robotic non-thinkers (Paulbots)
Spammers and trollers

I threw up halfway through.

Originally posted by fourthmeal

I threw up halfway through.

edit on 8-5-2012 by fourthmeal because: (no reason given)

That's my opinion of Ron Paul...You certainly have a different one, doesn't really matter. I have my views and you have yours. It's not going to change...

reply to post by fourthmeal

Hey, watch this! My answers are in Bold, and you're bordering on libel here, so watch it.

Now, now... you generally have to prove damages in order for it to be libel. And to prove damages, you have to prove that a normal person would actually take jjf3rd77 seriously in his claims. That is to say, perhaps, that someone didn't vote for Ron Paul because jjf3rd77 called him a "Big Old Meany" in many many many more words.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by solongandgoodnight
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

i disagree with a lot of the first points you brought up. but aside from that i'm reading a lot of "he wan'ts too do this or do that". he has laid down no specific plan to do any of these things to my knowledge. they sound like empty promises to get YOUR vote. which apparently has worked.

Who do you support and why? All politicians do is promise things to get votes. It's their job!

You are turning out to be a real piece of work.

The Politician's JOB is to uphold and defend the Constitution (which is why they swear an Oath before being appointed), and to SERVE the People that elected them.

PERIOD.

Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by fourthmeal

 

Hey, watch this! My answers are in Bold, and you're bordering on libel here, so watch it.

Now, now... you generally have to prove damages in order for it to be libel. And to prove damages, you have to prove that a normal person would actually take jjf3rd77 seriously in his claims. That is to say, perhaps, that someone didn't vote for Ron Paul because jjf3rd77 called him a "Big Old Meany" in many many many more words.

Yes you are correct. You hear that anti-Paul folks?

I was incorrect.

I've learned here that when Ron Paul says he wants to make people free, the only attack people can make is something to the effect of, "so, you'd make Heroin legal?!?"

What the F do you think Free means?

YOU have the responsibility, not the government. You always have, lawful or not. Laws don't stop the criminals, they don't follow the law. Laws only imprison people.

dumb people.

Government has to hold your hand, sometimes in cuffs.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by solongandgoodnight
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

i disagree with a lot of the first points you brought up. but aside from that i'm reading a lot of "he wan'ts too do this or do that". he has laid down no specific plan to do any of these things to my knowledge. they sound like empty promises to get YOUR vote. which apparently has worked.

Who do you support and why? All politicians do is promise things to get votes. It's their job!

what i was getting at is that romney has laid down no real plan that i know of to do those things. his plan seems to mainly be "i want to get America back to working again!" that's a great line but i have yet to hear is detailed plan to "get America back to working again". i'm a Ron Paul supporter.