Sarkozy loses election

reply to post by randomname


No. The change started to happen when Sarcozy came in, that was a big step for the french, to consider changing a bit- it was rather couragious of them! But the eurocrisis got them scared again, and they reverted to the socialist promises again, even after seeing that it doesn't work in the past.

Do you live here in France? If you do then you know that there are no homeless people- except those that choose to be. People who have the lowest end jobs still consider it their "right" to have a ski trip each winter, and a few weeks in a resort in the summer. This country is full of spoiled people who have no idea what real suffering is, because they have been taken care of so well, and yet still complain that it isn't enough!

You can see the same thign on a smaller scale- when you see families who spoil their kids, giving them not only what they need but every little desire that crosses their mind, and they are always the ones that spend their time complaining and being unhappy.
Then you see the poorer families, where the kids have to help with taking care of the home, and barely get what they need to survive, and end up being the ones that are content with their lives.

It's easy to tell how spoiled the people are here by how often there are strikes and protests going on. All the time.

I have been a business owner here, I could not afford to take on an employee because of the huge charges and taxes imposed , and how they double if you have an employee.

So when I'm told I am paying that money to support the immigrants who cannot get a job, I figure I'd rather just GIVE THEM A JOB- in my store! Instead of pay them for doing nothing but sitting around making more kids for me to pay for.
Taxing the business owners even MORE is completely stupid, and will make the problem even worse. Luckily I sold my business just in time, and now we're looking into how to move to a different country.

The majority doesn't want CHANGE- Sarkozy was starting that- he was gettign things moving in a different direction , and he was actually able to keep our heads up out of the water while our neighbors started sinking.
The majority has cringed back into their old ways of wanting to be taken care of a mommy state, sucking their thumbs and being served cookies.
What they don't get is that mommy is out of juice, she's running low on energy and now she's gonna have a breakdown.

Originally posted by Bluesma

Taxing the business owners even MORE is completely stupid, and will make the problem even worse.

Why even start a business then ?

Small business owners,are the glue,to keeping any country going.

I feel your pain.

Originally posted by antonia

It's interesting to see this-I doubt it will make much difference, but it's interesting nonetheless. I was talking with a friend in Spain the other day and we both noted how much anti-German sentiment there seems to be in Europe these days. The Germans are running the show and almost every European I've spoken with resents this. They call it the "EU" and really they should just call it the "GU" since the Germans have all the money and call most of the shots.

Where I am in France, the attitude is more of respect and admiration for Germany. That is truly amazing considering the huge grudge the french have against the Germans (understandably). They cannot even stand hearing the language. And yet, they are all able to admit openly that Germany is in it's position because they have been intelligent and hard working. France is second, but I actually had french people explaining to me the problem with the latin based cultures, and their tendancy to be more sensual and less hardworking, which will always make them the grasshopper to the Northern countries ants when winter sets in.

Under Sarkozy, it was interesting to see that brutal honesty become commonplace. I have lived here for more than twenty years, and I have never seen so much cultural change in such a short period of time.

I see this as flee/reversal reaction the global crisis we're all facing. With Hollande, I bet the french will suddenly forget their own power and responsibility in their place in things, and start being jealous and opposing of Germany also. The victimization/powerlessness attitude will come back.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Analysts say the vote has wide implications for the whole eurozone. Mr Hollande has vowed to rework a deal on government debt in member countries.

The socialist candidate has promised to raise taxes on big corporations and people earning more than 1m euros a year.

He also wants to raise the minimum wage, hire 60,000 more teachers and lower the retirement age from 62 to 60 for some workers.

Socialist Francois Hollande wins French presidency

France is screwed.

Actually it looks alot like what obama wants to do.......
makes you wonder eh?

reply to post by Bluesma


Your post makes incredible sense, and it highlights what the real issue truly is.
May your nose stay above the water line.....I fear, we amy all have that problem very very soon.

Originally posted by GrandHeretic



Actually it looks alot like what obama wants to do.......
makes you wonder eh?

See, this is where I think it is important to consider context and perspective, like someone else brought up in this thread.

The things Hollande proposes are brought up within a context which is very different from the US. For example, in France, there has not been any of the Reaganomic type measures to motivate anyone.
The more affluent you are, the higher a percentage of your income you already pay. The country does not have the poor/rich split- the poor are taken care of so well by the Social Security, they are not "poor" by most countries standards, and the really rich leave the country, because of this taxation upon them. So what you have left is this huge middle class.

There is nothing to motivate entrepreneurs in this country- there are no incentive tax cuts. You have a better situation if you are employed, you are protected by the society and have a better income.

The retirement people recieve already is much better than in the US- where people retired on social security are having to be careful and scrimp to survive in the US- here they are taking cruises, traveling, and having fun. French people start looking forward to that already when they are teens. Yet it is the young people that have to pay for that high time for the elders, and with the Boomer generation, they are too many for the younger generation to carry, even IF they could get jobs!


I have often seen these two countries almost completely at opposing ends in so many ways, in values and in their systems. Where I feel the US could use a bit more lean to the left, France could use a bit more lean to the right. Of course, equilibrium in the middle would be best, I imagine. But what is good for one is not necessarily good for the other.
This is what I think the other french person who got a bit bothered earlier in this thread was refering to.

Sarkozy's term was a total failure. FInancially and socially. People got divided. Police are ubiquitous. Troops went to war, money was wasted. Blatants lies were said. Banksters friendships were made.
Honestly I just don't get people holding on that midget. He has never been honest, he adapted his speeches depending on the audience he had to flirt with. He's involved in several suspicious cases of conflicts of interests. His image is/was constantly controlled like an ad for a pizza. I mean he spent more time on form than content. He obviously suffers of a lack of integrity. He only made the world a worse place and now gets out with his pockets full.

I wouldn't have understood a second term. He's just another Cavalierito hiding behind democracy values.

About Hollande now. I think he's also a puppet. He threw plenty of promises at french people faces but I'm pretty sure he's as corruptible as Sarko the First (and last hopefully). He isn't a RP. He's à PR with no content. It's just another pack of lies he's serving France and people bought it.

In a way, both are communication masters and great speakers. But it's all soliciting. They're like prostitutes needing something from you and they would say whatever you need to hear to get their name crossed on the ballot. They just needed votes so what the hell if their message is biased. The way they stand, wave hands, shake heads,...it's all controlled to make you think/Believe these guys are actually able to rule a country.
Even if they're not.

This video concludes my point very well

Douche vs Turd Sandwich

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by antonia

 

I find it funny how anti-German sentiment arises in the PIIGS-states these days when Germany does what they obviously can't or do not want to do... make the freaking numbers work.

Germany is the number two export economy in the world. They are obviously not struggling for income which is why they can balance their budget without serious cuts. Furthermore, Germany's success is somewhat at the expense of the other Eurozone members. It benefits from a weak Euro as it makes their exports cheaper. They benefit immensely from the PIGS problem and have no incentive to see it fixed.

While they do keep their budget balanced, I don't think that's what has made them so successful.

Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by randomname

 

No. The change started to happen when Sarcozy came in, that was a big step for the french, to consider changing a bit- it was rather couragious of them! But the eurocrisis got them scared again, and they reverted to the socialist promises again, even after seeing that it doesn't work in the past.

Do you live here in France? If you do then you know that there are no homeless people- except those that choose to be. People who have the lowest end jobs still consider it their "right" to have a ski trip each winter, and a few weeks in a resort in the summer. This country is full of spoiled people who have no idea what real suffering is, because they have been taken care of so well, and yet still complain that it isn't enough!

You can see the same thign on a smaller scale- when you see families who spoil their kids, giving them not only what they need but every little desire that crosses their mind, and they are always the ones that spend their time complaining and being unhappy.
Then you see the poorer families, where the kids have to help with taking care of the home, and barely get what they need to survive, and end up being the ones that are content with their lives.

It's easy to tell how spoiled the people are here by how often there are strikes and protests going on. All the time.

I have been a business owner here, I could not afford to take on an employee because of the huge charges and taxes imposed , and how they double if you have an employee.

So when I'm told I am paying that money to support the immigrants who cannot get a job, I figure I'd rather just GIVE THEM A JOB- in my store! Instead of pay them for doing nothing but sitting around making more kids for me to pay for.
Taxing the business owners even MORE is completely stupid, and will make the problem even worse. Luckily I sold my business just in time, and now we're looking into how to move to a different country.

The majority doesn't want CHANGE- Sarkozy was starting that- he was gettign things moving in a different direction , and he was actually able to keep our heads up out of the water while our neighbors started sinking.
The majority has cringed back into their old ways of wanting to be taken care of a mommy state, sucking their thumbs and being served cookies.
What they don't get is that mommy is out of juice, she's running low on energy and now she's gonna have a breakdown.

You could easily replace the word France with USA in your post.lol
Socialism at it's best.

reply to post by antonia

It's true that a big part of our budget is covered by our exports, but we had our cuts too.
We already had them at the right time and at the right scale. Big difference that payed off and attenuated our cuts.

Ofcourse a "weak-ish" €uro is good for export-business outside of the €Z, but it's not true that we have no incentive to see our direct neighbours "fixed".
We sell alot inside of europe (€ 101,5 bn to france alone in 2011) and if they can't buy, we can't sell.
And why would we pay the vast sums into EU-rescue funds and packages if we have no incentive to see improvement? Just for fun?

But you're right, our exports are not solely what made us successful, it's the way we do things here.
It's a mixture of our political system and our so-called (and often laughed at) germanic thrift that left our economy relatively unharmed up until now.

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
PS I think German after a little review??

Yes I'm German. Sorry I didn't mention it earlier.

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by antonia

 

Ofcourse a "weak-ish" €uro is good for export-business outside of the €Z, but it's not true that we have no incentive to see our direct neighbours "fixed".
We sell alot inside of europe (€ 101,5 bn to france alone in 2011) and if they can't buy, we can't sell.
And why would we pay the vast sums into EU-rescue funds and packages if we have no incentive to see improvement? Just for fun?
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Well you might want to try convincing other Europeans of that. As for the "bailouts" did you not read the details of those bailouts? They force Greece to buy weapons from Germany and France. Do you not see the problem with that? You are offering them money and then forcing them to buy your stuff. That's not much of a bailout. It benefits you more than them. The Germans are making money off this.
digitaljournal.com...

Greece would do well to just pull out of the Euro and tell Germany to stick it in their ear.

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by illuminnaughty

 

Here's a Pic. Show me WHO has lost an election,or is no longer in Power?

Very telling.

I see one left.....................

Obama will be lucky to make it to November 2012.

Job growth is going down.

Divert - Deflect - Divide won't work.

Originally posted by GrandHeretic

Originally posted by sonnny1

Analysts say the vote has wide implications for the whole eurozone. Mr Hollande has vowed to rework a deal on government debt in member countries.

The socialist candidate has promised to raise taxes on big corporations and people earning more than 1m euros a year.

He also wants to raise the minimum wage, hire 60,000 more teachers and lower the retirement age from 62 to 60 for some workers.

Socialist Francois Hollande wins French presidency

France is screwed.

Actually it looks alot like what obama wants to do.......
makes you wonder eh?

Lower the retirement age???

Well, i guess that's one way to lower the unemployment rate.

Throw more people on the dole.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by GrandHeretic

Originally posted by sonnny1

Analysts say the vote has wide implications for the whole eurozone. Mr Hollande has vowed to rework a deal on government debt in member countries.

The socialist candidate has promised to raise taxes on big corporations and people earning more than 1m euros a year.

He also wants to raise the minimum wage, hire 60,000 more teachers and lower the retirement age from 62 to 60 for some workers.

Socialist Francois Hollande wins French presidency

France is screwed.

Actually it looks alot like what obama wants to do.......
makes you wonder eh?

Lower the retirement age???

Well, i guess that's one way to lower the unemployment rate.

Throw more people on the dole.

I have been watching these Euro events unfold. I see to much in parallel with the States. I am enlightened to see the participation and interest here.

reply to post by longjohnbritches


It's pretty straight forward thinking.

Vote for me.

I will lower the retirement age and give you all more free money.

What could go wrong? It all sounds so simple.

Lets all just think 10 minutes ahead instead of 10 years ahead.

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BTW, it looks like Greece will jump out of the Euro.

reply to post by Eurisko2012

Lower the retirement age???

Well, i guess that's one way to lower the unemployment rate.

Throw more people on the dole.

That's actually not a bad idea from the unemployment pov. But... what will you do when your social security has to pay for all those retirements?

For me it seems like they're just "moving the issue". Its like selling the tv set to buy the dvd player... ok, so now you managed to finally buy that dvd, but now the problem is on the other side...

Originally posted by Outofcontrol
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

Lower the retirement age???

Well, i guess that's one way to lower the unemployment rate.

Throw more people on the dole.

That's actually not a bad idea from the unemployment pov. But... what will you do when your social security has to pay for all those retirements?

For me it seems like they're just "moving the issue". Its like selling the tv set to buy the dvd player... ok, so now you managed to finally buy that dvd, but now the problem is on the other side...

Exactly. Especially since the generation that would immediately start retiring is the Boomer generation- there are more of them than the younger generation that would have to pay for their retirement! It is simply impossible, even if it created more jobs! That is why it had recently been raised.

Originally posted by Bluesma
I am really, really upset. I am actually crying.

I live in France, I have French nationality, and now I am screwed too.

This guy is an idiot, (even besides being a Socialist). He is busy promising that government is going to give everyone more money, and they can work less, and all eat cotton candy and ride unicorns.

At a time when the economic situation is this bad, and we really needed someone with strong shoulders to deal with the euro crisis, and we really needed to tighten the belt on spending... we get this guignol.
I can't even imagine him meeting with Merkel and Obama....

One of the things he is for is helping immigrants more, and passing a law that (get this-) allows foriegners to vote in France! Soon I'll be able to invite all my family, siblings, cousins, etc. from the US to come visit for a week and vote!
And I better get them all here, because the arabs will be doing exactly that (Maghreb being much closer, they can drive on up).

France has 10% unemployment.

Anyone care to venture a guess as to the % of muslim immigrants in the population of France?

Three guesses, the first 2 don't count.

reply to post by sonnny1


Medvedev didnt lose an election. He didnt run, and Putin, the leader of his own party, took the presidency back.

Originally posted by redoubt

Sarkozy loses election

This is NOT to incite a political flame war but... historically, there are modern examples of how Europe and the US swing at opposite ends of the political pendulum. When the US goes one way, Europe goes the other. France has now moved to the left... which could mean the US is about to inch to the right and elect the Republican candidate in November...

I recommend 1980/81 with Ronald Reagan and François Mitterrand as one example.

That's clever! So what do you make of that? It would be a good way to ensure disharmony at political meetings.

There was a Bolshevik, Rakovsky, who admitted that Communism/the Left and Capitalism/the Right, are both, yes both, funded and directed by the "International" and used as a means of controlling the working classes - like a big pincer movement around the world.

The whole point of both ideologies is to get to a revolution, where a country is in such chaos, the International can step in and take over after the people have done all the hard work. In both cases the people need to be "dumb" enough to allow this to happen.

Communism has been used for countries where the people are poor and uneducated because unfortunately, they are already considered "dumb" enough.

Capitalism has been used for richer countries where the people are educated and prone to 'think'. Firstly, any moral system like Christianity must be removed for Capitalism to fail and the people must be "dumbed-down" with distractions in order to bring them down to the level of "homo stultum" (as Rakovsky said) and therefore "dumb" enough to be led into a revolution. You can see this happening in all the "Occupy" movements that sprang up over Europe and the USA.

Christianity has been beaten down severely by the International but its fighters remain. Could Merkel, a Christian Democrat, be one of them, as she has been fighting against the economic crisis in Europe by trying to keep countries afloat. As I understand, the Polish government promised to do exactly the same just before they all died in a plane crash. So could Merkel be "holding up" the big crash and the subsequent revolutions across Europe?? If so, I'm not surprised that the International have pushed in their Socialists in France - who have already said that they will not accept Merkel's plan.

Also as "Socialists" are all "IngSoc" thesedays, it looks like France is about to get the same amount of privacy invasion and camera survelliance as England. Not good.