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Lucid Dreaming, Astral Projection,...

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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 10:36 AM
What is actually the difference between:
*Lucid Dreaming
*Vivid Dreaming
*Astral Projection
*Out Of Body Experience
*Remote viewing

I really got into Lucid Dreaming, I have kept a dream journal.
I can remember almost all of my dreams. But the reason why I haven't tried it.
Is because I'm SO afraid of sleep paralysis and apperently sleep paralysis is needed to have
a lucid dream. A lot of people said Lucid dreaming is really worth it.
But those 5 things I mentioned above, are they really as good as lucid dreaming?
Which one should I really try? And Do you need to have sleep paralysis for the other ones or not? :L
And if you don't mind, you can post your personal experience with: Lucid dreaming, Vivid Dreaming, Astral Projection, Out Of Body Experience, Remote Viewing,.. If you want :].

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 10:44 AM
I can't tell you what the differences are but I read that the key to achieving these experiences is by utilizing your elements, such as water, fire, air and earth.

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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 10:56 AM
I can tell you the sleep paryalasis is a real concern.

I had one of the most terrifying experiences of my life while experimenting with binaural beats to try and lucid dream.

I can attest to binaural beats validity in helping extend dreams as the first week or so of using them I had some of the longest most vivid dreams.

But what happened to me put me off them so much to this day I won't use them anymore.

What happened was that as I was still awake and aware I was blinded by light and I couldn't move, the sound got extremely loud like throbbing or dub step music...

I started to panic it felt like I was floating but I couldn't see ,hear or move my body.

What happened next really makes me think the abduction phenomenon is a function of the brain, hole I was panicking I started to really try to willpower my self into moving I can't stress how aware I was through it, I started to chant no in my head.

That's when I heard clear as day " hes not willing stop this" or something to the like.

I was immediately back in bed drenched in sweat and able to move.
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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 11:00 AM
reply to post by Crashyy

You don't need SP to lucid dream, most people lucid dream before they can SP or before it happens by accident. Lucid dreaming isn't worth it? You mean because they think you need to SP? OBE IMO can be better than lucid dreaming, but that all depends on the lucidity of each. Both are quite different from each other.

I think the difference in those you mentioned are brainwave level. Each happens in different levels of consciousness. I have no experience with RV'in but this can happen by accident when you go into SP because I think RV and OBE can be similar.

Also, if you're scared of SP you're gonna have a difficult time with OBE because for me and many others SP is necessary to OBE. I think SP is an amazing experience if you can control your fear, but remember, it's the fear that will hold you back on any of these. You have to overcome that to be good and any of these and learn to control your emotions in these experiences. Do Not be afraid of any of these, none are bad and none can harm you.

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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 11:06 AM
reply to post by Crashyy

I have been debating whether to relate this or not .Ok so here goes, i've been out of my body while in bed asleep and went, or tried to go into someone elses body who was lying next to me. Freaky !!! i have attempted this twice with two different people. Dont get me wrong i didnt do it intentionally it just happened !!! I dont know why? Both times the other person woke up and glared at me. Now please dont attack me like i said it just happened it just goes to show there more to us humans than meets the eye and there is something in us that can leave the body . There is another exprience i would like to relate, about being ,i think they call it slain in the spirit, but people on here can get judgemental so i am a bit wary cheers

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 11:07 AM
reply to post by SadButTrue

Do Not be afraid of any of these, none are bad and none can harm you.

I have to agree with you here, as to this day I am still curious as to what would of happened had I just gone with it, would I have had an obe or lucid dream had I not panicked...

While disturbing the fact that it ended when I had the where with all to willpower my way out of it was encouraging, the problem was I had never exp something like that ever and I panicked.

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 11:17 AM
reply to post by benrl

I hear ya, I'm not saying I didn't panic several times when I first started doing it too, but the best experience is the moment you gain control, push the fear aside and experience it for what it is, it's empowering, it was for me. I still sometimes let emotion take control when I'm not fully prepared. I can also attest to your binaural beat experience, when I first started using it I had what I would call an OBE with it and it was very intense, different.

I sometime use OTC supplements to help with LD and OBE, it works amazingly. If any of you are interested let me know, I'll tell you what I use.

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 11:21 AM
reply to post by SadButTrue

I am interested, what OTC do you use?

As for what you said I agree, when I woke up and was back in my bed I sat there very disappointed in myself, the level of panic I felt I thought that was what people must feel when they have a panic attack.

and the fact I was able to pull myself out of it only attested to either the internal nature of what happened, or the benevolence of the experience.

It was really all my own fear that made it worse, but again to this day I still get disturbed when I think of how intense the experience was.

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 11:22 AM
reply to post by SadButTrue

What are OTC supplements?
And tell me what you use :p.

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 11:58 AM
I use Galantamine, (Alpha GPC) and/or a choline & inisitol supplement(Alpha GPC is just more bioavailable than choline inisitol), and 5-HTP.

You'll see that choline/inisitol/Agpc are all the same thing kinda and that these are supplement are in the vitamin B family and perfectly safe. They are in any multivitamin that you'll buy. It is always with vitamin B.

Galantamine is from some flower, perfectly safe for me. 5-HTP I think is what really helps in combination with the others. 5-HTP is tryptophan, what's in turkey.

Always do your own research on this stuff, but like I said it's OTC and safe.
I take 8mg of Galantamine, 300-500mg of Alpha GPC and/or Choline/inisitol, and 200mg of 5-htp.
I've been told 4-8mg of Galantamine is fine, and 100-200mg of 5-htp works. Start on the lower end first.

There's lots of info online about when to take it, before bed, in the middle of the night, etc. But I take it about an hour before I go to bed and then focus on SP'n and if nothing else it helps the intensity of dreams.
Good luck!
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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 12:48 PM
Is it possible if you have an out of body experience that a demon could enter or steal your body?

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 12:51 PM
when the student is ready ... the teacher will come.

the questions you ask do not come in answers ...but in experiences.

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 01:39 PM
Can anyone help me overcome sleep paralysis?
I'm just too afraid to try lucid dreaming

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 01:41 PM
reply to post by Crashyy

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 01:45 PM
reply to post by NewerBeing

lol xD Have you ever tried lucid dreaming?

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 02:14 PM
reply to post by Crashyy

Just as a quick reply, I can tell you that the first 4 you do with your eyes closed, remote viewing you just write down whatever comes to you onto a piece of paper.

I was privileged enough to experience an OOBE a few times. Lucid dreaming once or twice. Don't think I ever made it to astral as my OOBE's were short lived.

Can anyone who's successfully left their bodies give what methods you use? If any.

I used the 'Trance color progression method' (you can google it, first result) and after practicing for 5 weeks I felt I was ready to leave and was able to lift up out of my body. Wasn't able to later on as I got sick with a flu, and then stopped practicing. But a few years later I would just randomly have OOBE's while napping.

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 07:22 PM

Lucid dreaming
This is where the dreamer is aware that he/she is actually dreaming.
When lucid the dreamer can take control and manipulate the dream, it comes natural to some, with others it may take some practice.

Vivid Dreaming
Tbh I've never heard of this one. Maybe its another name for the methods used to help increase clarity?

Astral Projection
Is the action of leaving your body and projecting your mind onto the astral plane. It is a type of Out of body experience.

Out Of Body Experience
Where you leave your body during a dream and can see your own body. Astral projection is type of OBE

Remote viewing
Is where you can view an unseen object/person using your mind. I think lol

Lol im not sure if thats all correct, please correct me if i wrong

"Is because I'm SO afraid of sleep paralysis and apperently sleep paralysis is needed to have
a lucid dream."

Don't be afraid of sp.
Sleep paralysis is needed for any dream not just lucids. Its natural while sleeping, you go into it every time you sleep.
Nothing can hurt you, its all in the mind my friend

I've personally just got back into lucid dreaming, ive had 4 in total.
Normally i like to fly, its really fun, but sometimes you get too excited and wake up

Also one time i did some free running/parkour that was awesome.
I also was fighting off a lion with magic, no joke lol

Anyway i personally think its worth it, its great just to explore your own little world where you can do anything you want.
I would suggest maybe trying to learn how to do DILD's (Dream Induced Lucid Dream)
Probably the easiest to begin with, there are quite a few methods.

Theres also a forum on that site, where you can see peoples lucid experiences and theres tutorials and stuff too.


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posted on May, 12 2012 @ 06:31 AM
Let's just say you wake up at 8am and go back to sleep at 9.
And you get sleep paralysis and after that you're lucid dreaming.
The sleep paralysis isn't scary right? Because then the sun will be up already, and it isn't dark anymore? :L

posted on May, 12 2012 @ 07:38 AM
SP is not required or in any way related to lucid dreams. Two completely different states of mind, so no need to worry about that. I've had hundreds of (spontaneous) lucid dreams but only twice in my life did i experience sleep paralysis.

Vivid dreams are completely opposite of lucid ones, you don't want those.

these dreams are extremely vivid, so much so that the dreamer often has trouble understanding that he or she is not actually awake

I have no experience with OOBE or AP but from what i've read, they also don't require sleep paralysis. Maybe it's easier to get there through SP but still, they are all different states.

Remote viewing is when your mind and body are awake while previous states require your body to sleep so it's not really comparable. Maybe just a little.

Since you are already good at remembering your dreams, someone already mentioned DILD is the way to go. There is a lot information how you can achieve DILD on the net. You can also take supplements or try sleeping during the day, that's when i usually lucid dream.

Sweet dreams

posted on May, 12 2012 @ 07:49 AM
reply to post by Exitt

Ok that's good that SP isn't needed to lucid dream. I always thought it was though.
Because alot of people said how they went from SP into their lucid dream.
So yeah that scared me xD

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