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HAARP Wars

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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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I've often felt that something about HAARP was not right. I know that Tesla was and probably still is considered a brilliant scientist. I don't know if he meant for an invention of his to be used in this manner or not. Was it really him hat almost destroyed Russia? Perhaps he was trying to improve man's chances with the weather, perhaps he meant it for other purposes. What matters is this machine is here and in other countries, and if at one time the idea was meant for good then the wrong people may and I do say may be using the idea for other then good reasons. Whatever the case, is, if it were good why wouldn't they have told about it when it was being developed and explained what it was being used for. Perhaps then there wouldn' be so much speculation, and now distrust of what it is being used for. What do you think? What are your theories about HAARP good or bad? Convince me.



Terrence Ayms



Ask most scientists and they’ll tell you that the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is simply a scientific research station designed to study and interact with the Earth’s ionosphere and determine new ways to propagate radio waves. But ask anyone who’s knowlegeable about brilliant inventor, Nikola Tesla, and they’ll tell you that HAARP’s a very sophisticated, sinister advance of Tesla’s amazing research at his Long Island Wardencliffe Tower lab. There, Tesla discovered ways to modify the weather, create earthquakes, and develop a ‘Death Ray’ more powerful than the hydrogen bomb…a deadly radiowave weapon so powerful Tesla claimed it could wipe entire armies from the face of the globe. Some insist HAARP is that and much more. And now the evidence that weaponized HAARP complexes are being built by the USA, Russia, and China in remote regions across the world has surfaced. Get ready for the HAARP Wars…



Nikola Tesla almost destroyed Russia in 1908. At least that’s the contention of some researchers like Oliver Nicholsen who point to evidence that the famous inventor—and fierce rival of Thomas Edison—developed a fear of some of his own revolutionary technology soon after a massive explosion occured during the early morning hours of June 30, 1908. The explosion destroyed a huge region of Tunguska, Siberia. [For more information on this fascinating story, see Chapter 17 of Mysteries of the Multiverse - How Nikola Tesla Almost Destroyed The World]








posted on May, 5 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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I watched a docu about harp and the guy who invented it backs up what we all know they are using it for. I'll go look for it and post it if I can find it.

Found it.
Inventer and director of haarp both speak. Hear it for yourselves people

Alfa1 posted below asking me to pick out the parts he would consider worth watching because he doesnt want to watch a whole hours worth. I was tempted to say something rude...but I wont. I'll just say that if you cant be bothered to watch it all then start at 4 mins and watch for ten mins. You'll hear from the man who holds the patents for this tech so he knows what he's talking about. That should give you enough to know the rest is worth watching. If you cant be bothered to do your own research then maybe you shouldnt be in here making any comments at all.

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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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The various instruments at the HAARP installation are not secret at all.
They are intruments that any technical group of people anywhere in the world could build with a bit of money and space to put them.
Most of them, you can build simpler versions of at home.

The only people I've ever heard say anything nasty about HAARP are the people who dont have the technical knowledge to know whats going on there - and because of their ignorance it all seems so mysterious and scary...



Originally posted by 1loserel2
I've often felt that something about HAARP was not right.
Whatever the case, is, if it were good why wouldn't they have told about it when it was being developed and explained what it was being used for.


...like that.
Chances are you arent an amateur radio operator who gets busy with a soldering iron tinkering with circuits very often.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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Watch the vid I posted above, I think the designer WOULD know what he's talking about??



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by VoidHawk
Watch the vid I posted above, I think the designer WOULD know what he's talking about??



The documentary is a whole hour long.

Would you mind picking out some specific claims, rather than just "go watch this youtube video"?



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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See my first post above.
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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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Teslas Wardenclyffe tower was a wireless power transmitter.

In his notes he mentioned this area of science could be used for mass elimination eg antigravity, potential weather control,earthquakes, long range communication.

He just noted these ideas but didnt persue them.

Bernard Eastlund took the wardenclyffe designs and made the HAARP system we know today. Tesla did not intend for this field of science to be used this way.

The NWO scum Rockefeller, jpmorgan etc etc are to blame for that.


Edit: As to the Russia allegations, look into woodpecker and the new york blackout.
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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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Bernard Eastlund took the wardenclyffe designs and made the HAARP system we know today. Tesla did not intend for this field of science to be used this way.

Please provide evidence that Tesla had any notion of what a phased array is. Please explain how Wardenclyffe could operate as a phased array.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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Why? Would it be more appropriate for you to ask that about Bernard Eastlund? since I just stated Tesla was not using wardenclyffe for any of those reasons. He merely let his mind wander and though of possibilities for the future.

He intended for wireless power transmission. Not punching holes in the ionosphere. Wardenclyffe and HAARP are indeed different.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:23 PM
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Then perhaps you can better explain what you meant by this:


Bernard Eastlund took the wardenclyffe designs and made the HAARP system we know today.


What is it about Wardenclyffe which has anything at all to do with HAARP?
Did you know that the purpose of Wardenclyffe was to transmit electricity through the Earth?



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Yes using the earth and the atmosphere. Know whats fun? Searching patent filings associated to the phrase "phased array"
G.E , Aereon Corporation, Boeing.

Aah suppressing science to perpetuate pointless profits of the capitalist system. Stupid humans...



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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No explanation of the supposed connection between Wardenclyff and HAARP then. Not surprising since Tesla didn't really put much stock in electromagnetic radiation.

The concept of a phased array is not patentable. There are various ways to accomplish it. Do you suppose someone who designed a specific phased array device would not patent it? Do you have a problem with the idea?



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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I have a problem with the concept of patents in general but thats another story lol.....

What do you mean no connection. Bernard Eastlund said he based his designs of Teslas warenclyffe. Was many years in the future so it was approached differently.

hehe. Bernards ideas for the catalyst and how to disperse it were quite out landish. He envisioned a network of satellites dumping the catalyst onto the planet lol. However fueling satellites is insane.

So they went with "Project Evergreen" instead
Chemtrail spraying planes are easier to fuel lol.... Although not all of the chemtrail programs are associated to the haarp network. Although some are, They assist in precipitation.

I find it interesting to compare his satellites idea to how it was actually done with drone 747's. Scientists think impractical sometimes lol



posted on May, 6 2012 @ 12:28 AM
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Project Manager - HAARP - John Hecksher says that HAARP won't harm animals and birds, he says "thats in the environmental impact statement (lol), but then goes on to say that "We don't know-that's why we experiment?"

Well, that instills confidence in my heart mind & soul --- not!




posted on May, 6 2012 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by VoidHawk
Watch the vid I posted above, I think the designer WOULD know what he's talking about??



The documentary is a whole hour long.

Would you mind picking out some specific claims, rather than just "go watch this youtube video"?
How about 39:45-39:52 - "Can we describe HAARP as 100% safe? I don't believe we can describe any electro-transmitting system as 100% safe.."

Then why are we using it?

Just sayin...



posted on May, 6 2012 @ 01:36 AM
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HAARP has 3.6mw of electrical generation, ANYTHING that creates or uses electricity is not 100% safe!




posted on May, 6 2012 @ 01:37 AM
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Is your cell phone 100% safe?
Is radar 100% safe?
Is a microwave oven 100% safe?
Those are "electro-transmitting systems" too.



posted on May, 6 2012 @ 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by VoidHawk
Watch the vid I posted above...



In the minutes you suggested...

1. There is the claim that PROPOSED uses for a HAARP facility include various destructive acts. This, as he says, was in the "initial proposal", but at no time does he say that it ever happened. I'm sure the documentary makers would have incuded a statement that the CURRENT system does these things if he ever said that, but he didnt.

2. at
5:31 "HAARP uses a Billion watts"
6:12 "..do this with a Billion watts..."

Simply not true.

All sources on the net tell em that HAARP runs at much lower power.
This conspiracy site says "plans to expand to 180 antennas and 3.6 megawatts of power by 2006."
Other sites tell much the same story. A few Megawatts. On shortwave.

By comparison, there are other shortwave radio transmitters around the world running at 0.5 megawatts, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.


3. But even if we use the claim as it stands, (which is really a misrepresentation of ERP), lets examine it anyway...
The documentary talks (12:03) about blasting a hole, "30 miles long, half a mile deep".
That is, depending on how you interpret it, 7.5 cubic miles.
This is (do the calculations yourself to check) 0.0009 watts per cubic foot of atmosphere.
The "billion" watts are spread out so thinly over that volume that unless you've got measuring instruments, you'd never know it even if you were there.

The sun itself does more.
The documentary has destroyed its own claim.



posted on May, 6 2012 @ 02:49 AM
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Taking this a bit further, if we continue to use the doco's claims of a BILLION watts in "30 miles long, half a mile deep", which as I describe above is 0.0009 watts per cubic foot of atmosphere.

Then, how much is that? Can we get a feel for what it must be like?
Sure. A bit of DIY...

Step 1. Buy a torch. 1 watt.


Step 2. Find a room 10 feet by 10 feet by 11 feet. (or thereabouts)
Your bedroom will suffice if you cant find an exact match.

Step 3. Switch the torch on and experience the full destructive force of 0.0009 watts per square foot.

Warning.
There will be earthquakes, your house will explode and probably also cause thunderstorms and tornados.

...or not.



posted on May, 6 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by ArrowsNV
 

Is your cell phone 100% safe?
Is radar 100% safe?
Is a microwave oven 100% safe?
Those are "electro-transmitting systems" too.
Yes, I understand that. But I don't believe my phone consumes nearly as much power as HAARP does...



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