Public Grade School Over-steps Bounderies, page 1


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Topic started on 5-5-2012 @ 03:51 PM by Chickensalad
Yesterday morning my girlfriend got a call from my step-daughters school. Stating that she needed to come pick up our 10 year old, because she was being kicked out for behavioral issues, for the day. When my girlfriend arrived at the school she noticed bruises on her arm and leg. She asked the the school psychologist where the bruises had come from because she didnt have them that morning before school. The psychologist replied "she did those to herself". The girlfriend then asked what was the issue and what the hell had gone on.

Here's where it gets good.

Apparently, that morning in class, the teacher was trying to get some kids to read a passage aloud in class. She had asked 6 other previous students to read aloud and got a "no" from all of them. She then asked my step-daughter to read aloud and she replied with a "no" as well. The teacher then told her that she needed to either read or get out of the class-room. To which she replied with a "no" as well. Now, she does a an extremely defiant character, there's no denying that. And Im not saying shes right in defying her teacher.

Anyway, the teacher called in the school psychologist to remove her from the class room and take her to a behavior room. She didnt want to go and was resisting. So the psychologist grabbed her by the underam and wrist and proceeded to drag her down the hall, then the stairs to the room. Leaving a hand shaped bruise on her arm and the side of her leg and knee are bruised.

The girlfriend was very unhappy with hearing this and asked to speak with the principal. She then told the girlfriend that she had done those to herself as well and there was nothing she could tell her. So, the girlfriend asked for a request form to move her to another school to which she was told she couldn't.

They left the school and went straight to the local police department and filed a report with them. She made the daughter tell the story to the officer, because she wasn't there. then told him what the school had told her about it.

After the officer gone to follow up with the school on the issue, we received a call from the school stating that she was going to be suspended until next Tuesday. Today, we received a letter in the mail from the school. it had stated that the "student" was taken to the behavior room and then proceeded to curse profanity and pinch and scratch herself. Neither of which she has never done before. She has her tantrums, but has NEVER screamed profanities nor scratch or pinch herself or even tried to hurt herself. The worst thing she screams is "I dont care" to whatever it is your saying to her. Thats just her shutting you out, but the behavior they described in the letter is nothing like her in anyway and a bold face lie. Not to mention he had no signs of any scratches or pinching anywhere on her.

Furthermore, the letter goes on to state again that she is suspended until Tuesday, May 8th. And, that she will not be allowed on the end-of-the-year field trip on the 10th. She will have to stay at the school with the principal.
We called the reporting officer and told him about the letter, and explained that she has NEVER exhibited that kind of behavior. And, that we didn't feel right in sending her back to that school since she was clearly being singled out now. He advised us that it would probably be best to contact the Superintendent Monday the 7th, and explain our situation and our choice to not send her back for the last 8 days of the year.

We have pictures of the bruises and have filed a report. This happened on Friday May 4th. We are waiting to see what happens on Monday to decide where to go. Any ideas of resources would be helpful.


reply posted on 5-5-2012 @ 04:08 PM by Wrabbit2000
I'd like to suggest something because I feel for what your going through. The schools have a real bad attitude about feeling they ARE the system and that makes their word the law, period. Doom on anyone who questions beyond the point they've been allowed to question....as they demonstrated in your case. Geeze.. That was totally out of line, what they did. You wouldn't obey and shut up, so your daughter is paying directly for it.

Okay, here is my suggestion. They no longer have the one we bought and use, but this is very similar to give you an idea.



Here are the important specs that make it viable.
- Supports up 1152 hours recording time
- Charging time: 3~4 hours
- Working time: 35 hours
- 1 x External microphone
Source

Our son's backpack proved plenty and picked up what we needed to hear. The external microphone makes it much easier to bury the recorder deep enough to be away from our Son as well. He was in 2nd grade when we used it the first time.

As you found...if it's your word against theirs, there is no dispute because we've lost before we ever drove into the parking lot as parents. Next time...if you can...record it and shove it back up their tailpipes so far they choke on it as they HAVE to give you whatever the situation demands at the moment. Just my suggestion from what we've used as one parent to another. My thoughts are with you and your daughter. I hope this works out better than it sounds.
edit on 5-5-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 5-5-2012 @ 04:08 PM by Chickensalad
reply to post by AwakeinNM



We have already decided that if nothing gets done after talking to the Superintendent or a meeting with the School Board, then yes we are contacting the local media and probably getting an attorney. Of course, we are hoping that it wont come to that and that they will resolve this to our satisfaction immediately. But, I'm really doubting that. For one, I don't feel that a school psychologist that leaves hand-print bruises on children or drags them downs halls and stairs, she be allowed around children. I also think they need to re-think their policy of calling the parents, BEFORE it gets out of hand.

I can promise you that had the hand-print bruise happened at home, our child would have been promptly taken from us. Now that it happened at a school they are going to act like it never happened at all.

To make it worse, they lied about it just like an abusive parent would saying "she did that to herself" when its an obvious adult had-print. Its just sickening and and very frustrating.


reply posted on 5-5-2012 @ 05:56 PM by Chickensalad
reply to post by smyleegrl



She was suspected to have ODD (oppositional defiance disorder) about 2 years ago. And I'm not in any way condoning her behavior. But, I damn well am not condoning the way they handled it either. The bruise on her underarm is enough for me. As far as I'm concerned that's proof that they were excessive from the get.

Thanks for your input everyone. I will try to keep you posted as things develop. And i will probably post the pics of the bruises after i clear it with the lil one and the girlfriend.


reply posted on 5-5-2012 @ 06:08 PM by smyleegrl
Originally posted by Chickensalad
reply to
post by smyleegrl



She was suspected to have ODD (oppositional defiance disorder) about 2 years ago. And I'm not in any way condoning her behavior. But, I damn well am not condoning the way they handled it either. The bruise on her underarm is enough for me. As far as I'm concerned that's proof that they were excessive from the get.

Thanks for your input everyone. I will try to keep you posted as things develop. And i will probably post the pics of the bruises after i clear it with the lil one and the girlfriend.



Does she have an IEP? Usually children who are diagnosed
with ODD have an IEP.

The reason I ask is because the IEP is a legal document and as parents you have the right to insist on an IEP placement meeting. At that meeting you can have it written into her plan exactly what steps the teacher and school must follow when she has a "spell.".


reply posted on 5-5-2012 @ 06:47 PM by Chickensalad
reply to post by smyleegrl



I dont believe so. Im not sure if she was actually diagnosed, or if it was just a suggested reason for her behavior. What would constitute a legal diagnosis? She doesnt take any medication, we just have to deal with her a little bit different than the other children. Theres no room for losing your cool with her, you have to maintain rationale and keep your calm, and not argue with her points. Then she eventually calms down and usually apologizes without hesitation.


reply posted on 5-5-2012 @ 07:18 PM by Chickensalad
reply to post by fixer1967



Well, lets hope that doesn't happen. And honestly i dont think it has to happen that way. Like i mentioned before, other people have had similar incidents with this school. Nobody did anything about it though, or even spoke up. If we can get more people to speak up, instead of being scared, then they may take notice of all the unhappy parents. It took unhappy parents to get us to this point. But, eventually people stopped gettting involved in public schools and they started doing as they see fit. Its time people get involved again. WE have to make the change. Violence is at the very bottom of the list, if even there at all.


reply posted on 5-5-2012 @ 07:28 PM by fixer1967
reply to post by Chickensalad



Violence seems to be the only way a lot of the times and that is sad. But I do not know which is most sad, me being right or you being right.


reply posted on 6-5-2012 @ 01:09 AM by Chickensalad
reply to post by Unity_99



I agree fully. I wouldnt want to be there anymore either if I were her. And Im not going to force her to be either. There are only 8 days left of the school year, and shes only been absent 2 days this year, so I dont really for-see a truancy issue.

I've already decided that they are all going to a private school this next year. I wish I could home-school them but I just dont have the resources for it.
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