reply to post by dominicus
Don't get me wrong, I'm still all about Jesus and see him as the Neo of this Matrix world we live in who basically gives us a formula for leaving
this damned world. But overall the OT, sin, human attributes given to the OT God don't really make alot of sense and the answers I've gotten about
this from Theologians and Books and such, are your run of the mill "best answers they can think of" type. What say you about this folks?
The answer is this: "You must be born again." Consult the link in my signature. Read the article on water and spirit. Baptism and all other
bible symbols are keys to the root meaning of what is taking place in history. Baptism is the immersion of the temple (Body) into the material world
as the sacrifice of the beast. We are to overcome four baptisms. Consult the first article in the list from my signature. What is the beast?
Carbon has 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons. The beast is described by 18 traits (3 sets of 6) in 2 Timothy 3. This was noted in another thread
Timothy 3 : 2-4 : “For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents (6), unthankful,
unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control (6), brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure
rather than lovers of God” (6).
The main trait of a beast is selfishness. The root of this nature we possess is pride against God. The sacrifice of the animal is only a symbol for
what we do in the water of baptism. The water puts out the fire and cleanses the temple after the sacrifice is made. We are conditioned by the
symbols to then see deeper into the inner meaning of what the symbols represent.
We are to overcome the beast and sacrifice our desires for our devotion to God. We do this to gain our life back in proper context to truth.
Currently, we are locked in a state that is out of context with God's design for us. Rumi the Sufi has an amazing take on this wilderness we
“O God,” they cry again, “we were in such a
terrible state when, with all sincerity, we called
upon you from our prison corner. For a hundred
prayers you granted our requests. Now, freed of
the prison, we are still as much in need. Bring us
out of this world of darkness into that world of
the prophets, the world of light. Why can freedom
not come without prisons and pain? A thousand
desires fill us, both good and deceitful, and the
conflict of these phantoms brings a thousand tortures
that leave us weary. Where is that sure faith
that burns up all phantoms?”
God answers, “The seeker of pleasure in you is
your enemy and My enemy.
‘Do not take your enemy
and My enemy for a friend.’
When your pleasure-seeking self is imprisoned,
filled with trouble and pain, then your freedom
arrives and gathers strength. A thousand times
you have proved that freedom comes to you out
of toothache, headache and fear. Why then are
you chained to bodily comfort? Why are you
always occupied with tending the flesh? Do not
forget the end of that thread: unravel those bodily
passions till you have attained your eternal passion,
and find freedom from the prison of darkness.”
We can never do this alone. Christ is the way, the truth and the life. The veil was torn 2000 years ago. We are just now seeing into the symbols
behind the veil.