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US should return stolen land to Indian tribes, says United Nations

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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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reply to post by karen61057
 


Appearantly the US government isn't the only one that has become fascist.
"You don't wanna live the great American Dream? Well, screw you!"

Your country is founded on the belief that anyone can live the way he wants. Maybe they don't give a # about your system of value (and I mean greed, money and power), perhaps they don't want to jump into the planetary destruction train and don't care about ruling the world and oppressing human brothers,... don't know I ain't native american though.

Read your constitution my friend. (consti-what?)

By the way it's no more your soil than theirs. It's everybody's soil.
These people deserve respect as anybody else.

Hopefully all US citizens aren't like you and many are open minded to avoid crap speeches like yours.

Tchus




posted on May, 5 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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No thanks. Most people on the Internet are fat and ugly.

On Topic: The UN can make whatever recommendations it likes. It's a free country. No one has to listen or care.
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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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Do you mean to say that because your country contributes towards the funding of the UN that you should never be the focus of it's attention?
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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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Here is a scenario for you. I sneak in your house at night and attack you during your sleep. A fight breaks out and I use my concealed firearm to get the upper hand when you only had a knife. Then I tell you I'm going to give you five dollars for the house itself and everything inside of it. If you take the deal you sign a contract. If not I shoot you dead. Still think they made a poor decision.

So you believe because Someone has better weaponry than someone else they can go just take their land and hold them up for whatever ludicrous demands they want? Your ignorance is showing.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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If I were given a chance to go back to the old ways, you're right, I wouldn't take it. You wanna know why? Because that time has already past.

Technically as it is with my people, we still go hunting. I know for a *fact* that some people rely on the seasonal hunts in my community. I live in a reservation. Mine is better than most, something I'm very glad for.

And by the way, there aren't any casinos where I'm from, nor did I say anything about wanting my land back. And I should say I'm Canadian.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Maybe Dave should be an advisor to the UN. I would be all for it.






posted on May, 5 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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reply to post by CrimsonKapital
 

"Why do you Americans find race so fascinating? Seriously?
If there ever was an Aboriginal Australian candidate I wouldnt vote for him because he was Indigenous, I would vote on his policies.
A Native American President shouldn't have to get into power because his race might hold the majority of the nations populace, he should get into power through his policies and that goes for all races too. "

Im Scottish, not American and i totaly agree with you Race should not be an issue, but it is for the majority im afraid.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by Doodle19815
How would they thrive and prosper in this deal? And why are there so many unemployed Indians? Why can't they get jobs?


The same way they prospered for 12,000 years without 'deals' ... You've become so disconnected that you think you NEED a deal and a job. You've fallen for the snare.

Why can't they get jobs? What is a job? This is all a setup. We were never meant to have 'jobs'. For 12,000 years we would hunt and grow our own foods. We raised our families with the help of our families. We had a system of government BEFORE deals were struck. A system of government that allowed every man to be free. Not 'free' as in the United States version of freedom, but actually FREE.

Jobs. smh. For what? For WHO? Who benefits from your 'job'? Is this how you characterize another human being? By what 'job' they are able to get?

I for one am PROUD of those who still refuse to assimilate after hundreds of years. It feels wrong all the way down to one's SOUL.

My own nationality is split from between the Ocmulgee Creek tribe, and the Scottish immigrants that assimilated into those tribes throughout the southeastern United States. In fact, the chief of my tribe is still a McIntosh, and has been for a few hundred years.

This is a very touchy subject for me.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by facelift
reply to post by neo96
 


Who the hell does the UN think they are?


The same Org. north america pressures into taking similar action in a multitude of nation/states...


What's good for the goose is good for the gander...




right on!
i like the principle of the UN, not what it turned into (that scares me)
furthermore it would be more relevant if the UN would ask the States from stealing resources all over the world
and i'm not surprised by most of the posts here:
how dare someone to tell the Land of the Free to stop acting as if the rest of the world is only there to be used for their purposes.

to the american people here: please don't take this as a personal attack, it isn't. I do respect every single person. I don't respect corporations and their puppets. They are the ones who abuse all of us, the american people included. They are the ones who send out your kids (not theirs, trust me on this one) to get killed or traumatized because they killed.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Fascinating...and well said by the way. My family is Scot-Irish and yes....the Scots can be very 'tribal"....we called them clans but not much different than tribes....it's all about community and sticking together to overcome a challenge or threat....we really could stand to learn a lot about those principles today.....

but....there isn't much profit in propagating a clan or an ideal....so...why bother....(end sarcasm)

I get such a hoot out of the folks on this thread that a thread or two over...a day or two ago....were all about crushing the oppressive government....stopping the "nation building" and bringing the troops home....but when they are suddenly having to ask themselves questions about the very foundation of what we are fighting about....they get kinda funny.....denial is a wonderful place....I hear the summers in Cairo are sweltering though....



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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No one will argue what happened to the native Americans was a really crappy thing to have happened NO ONE but the simple fact is that is the only reason you and I even exist in this world.


True, but did you ever stop to think about all the unborn native americans that would exist in your place had you not stolen their land and killed their grandfathers and grandmothers, mothers and fathers, and many of their ancestors?

Yes, you gotta draw the line somewhere. But where?

Obviously you draw it at "if it has already happened, it is okay".

But what will the future hold for a people or even a race of species that thinks that way?

And wouldn´t they in any case look rather barbaric to advanced aliens that are contemplating making contact with us, but are afraid to be "inflicted" by this kind of thinking, at which rate their entire species would be at the risk of going extict as well over time?

A thinking that was discarded in their race thousands, maybe millions of years ago, for which they have to thank their very existance today, which most assuredly would not have ever come to fruition had they not done so.

I think they would wait abit longer right?

So why are people with your kind of thinking delaying the next step for everyone else?

Are we not one? Obviously not yet, not before people like you disappear, or rather "mature away"
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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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I think it's a great idea as long as the UN remburist me for my expenses. I have about 40 acres full of year round springs that the indians concider sacred. I paid about 1/2 mill 4 years ago and would accept about 300 mill now because I have been preserving the land



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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Well I would assume the UK would be giving back Ireland as well? Anyways, I am here in United States, come see the Indian tribes and then you tell me what you think. You say " Let them live like their ancestors". BS. They are Americans now and use Iphones, drive prius and shop @ Costco, they will likely never live "how they did" again.

We could give back the land, but then what? They have no money, no resources, no health care systems, the majority of the Indian population has become dependent. Unfortunate, however true. Move forward.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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This just seems like a non issue. Why is this even a question. People live there now. You can't tell them to leave either. This all happened so long ago that our generations can argue enough distance from the actual event that you can't base any argument of appropriation to anyone. People live there now. It is irrelevant who lived there before historically. Those living there now own their land. It is their land by the same argument. Period.

History is about a nice a fairytale as Peter Pan. Humanity is about as innocent in its claims to any legitimacy through peace as any people of your choice.

In a world far separated from events that happened hundreds of years ago, we must move on. The same way that our nation has changed since its birth, our reality has changed. Nothing is as it was when those lands were truly theirs and they were taken.

The people who were born in those lands after and loved it as any people love their land are no less important.

Their reality must be respected. Co-existence should be sought after. Sovereignty is not an issue here. Both people can live on the land. Whose it is and who decides who owns are entirely independent issues.

That is decided by the people currently inhabiting it peacefully for hundreds of years. so.
They will probably say its theirs and be right.



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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by Damrod
reply to post by OneEleven
 

Fascinating...and well said by the way. My family is Scot-Irish and yes....the Scots can be very 'tribal"....we called them clans but not much different than tribes....it's all about community and sticking together to overcome a challenge or threat....we really could stand to learn a lot about those principles today.....

but....there isn't much profit in propagating a clan or an ideal....so...why bother....(end sarcasm)

I get such a hoot out of the folks on this thread that a thread or two over...a day or two ago....were all about crushing the oppressive government....stopping the "nation building" and bringing the troops home....but when they are suddenly having to ask themselves questions about the very foundation of what we are fighting about....they get kinda funny.....denial is a wonderful place....I hear the summers in Cairo are sweltering though....




thanks for sharing this
i was over there in the land of the scots and loved the mentality
and as it turned out, i also liked Haggis ;-)
next time i try to visit the highlands as well



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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You're the one who said we killed them all. You want to know why we dont want to share. We will share. Just come and get it. This is the land of opportunity. If you dont take advantage of that tough on you. Yes I am American. I dont expect anything to be handed to me but I also know that what ever I want if I want if enough wont be withheld from me. Just do it ya know?



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
That same :Un who didn't stop the ethnic cleansing in Africa,Darfur and other parts of the world.

How about the UN telling Australia to give back all the aboriginal lands?



Or the Vikings to take back sweden! Hell yeah, we already own it!

Or the Samurai to take back japan! Ooops they already own it as well!

Get my point?

Wouldn´t the world be alot cooler if ruled by high-tech vikings and samurai, competing in a spaceship race, waging interstellar war with 10-12 interstellar civilizations not because they where more warlike than the current U.S Rockefeller ruled world, but because they had an urge to look cool doing it as well! And what is cooler than spaceship battles and alien tech today?

Not much.

Cooler than space-vikings and space-ninjas battling aliens in space FOR REAL?

Nothing. Nada. Zip.

And the world is instead ruled by the aztec, incan, apache, sioux, mayan and hopi-indian-slaughterers and stranglers, genociders, murderers and thieves, which are currently dancing on their graves eating big macs with extra fries in one hand, while aiming a gun at someone elses head constantly.

This is what you defend? Because your grandfather(whom you adore) was one as well?
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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by SonofLeod
reply to post by babybunnies
 


Here is a scenario for you. I sneak in your house at night and attack you during your sleep. A fight breaks out and I use my concealed firearm to get the upper hand when you only had a knife. Then I tell you I'm going to give you five dollars for the house itself and everything inside of it. If you take the deal you sign a contract. If not I shoot you dead. Still think they made a poor decision.

So you believe because Someone has better weaponry than someone else they can go just take their land and hold them up for whatever ludicrous demands they want? Your ignorance is showing.


They didnt own the land. They never considered themselves landowners. Lets be clear. If we paid them anything for something they did not own in the first place it seems they've gotten the best of the bargin.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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The native americans were among the last indigenous people to be conquered - Does this make them special?

Does this mean I can go to the queen of england and demand that she relinquish my ancestral lands of north western europe?

Should the turkish, greeks, italian and egyptian peoples give back the land to the indigenous they took it from?

Enough already, this is about loop holes in legal systems, money! I've seen it personally.

They want to live on someone elses dime - a free and easy existence.

They lost a war, as my people did. It was never fair, but this is how it is now.

When you lose the war, you leave the bounty behind and start anew, or you die.

If we dont like it? Then lets start another war. Otherwise dont give me this sob story as if they are the only peoples who are greatly short changed on this planet. They are the last in a long list of conquered people and as far as I'm concerned, they were lucky to have been given the option of reservation when compared to the alternative of complete annihilation, as was given to my people.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by cowboy762
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Ah, I think you should take a look at the census, genius. There are over 2 million American Indian enrolled tribal members. Many more people have ancestors or are in tribes that are not federally recognized.


It twas a joke, sensitive one.
A joke response to a joke suggestion. Now I guess all of Britain and Western France must be returned to the Celtic peoples, too? Or Israel to the Canaanites?
Or EVERYWHERE else on the planet where one group of people displaced another?

And I've been to tribal functions. I've seen fewer blonde haired, blue eyed individuals at an Aryan convention.
Most "Native Americans" are about as "native" as Elizabeth Warren.

The cult of perpetual victimhood is becoming a scourge on this planet.



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