reply to post by neo96
Settle down tiger......you're not wording your posts very succinctly.
On one hand I agree with you. The U.N. isn't very qualified to make this kind of call. The more global an entity is, the less qualified they are to
make "local" judgement calls like this IMO. That, and I really don't know why they only visited Alaska and Hawaii. Those circumstances aren't very
indicative of the problems the majority of the tribes face in the lower 48. Alaska especially. The relationship between the natives up there and the
Government is different from anywhere else in the country for main fact that we didn't "take' Alaska from them. We bought it from Russia. Different
kettle of fish there.
You might want to reference this article to get a better understanding of how all this is supposed to work:
This paragraph especially:
"The United States is trustee or guardian for the tribes. This role traces to the Supreme Court's opinion in Cherokee Nation v. Georgia, in which
Chief Justice John Marshall wrote that the relationship of the tribes to the United States resembles that of a "ward to its guardian." Because of this
role, the United States holds the underlying fee title to tribal lands in trust for the tribes. For this reason, they are styled "trust lands." The
role of the United States as guardian or trustee has several consequences. When managing tribal or individual Indian property, the United States is
held to a high standard of care. The tribal status as ward entitles tribes to sue officers of the United States when that standard of care is
violated. In addition, because they are federal wards, tribes may seek United States assistance in litigating against states or private
parties. As the Supreme Court decided in United States v. Kagama, 118 U.S. 375 (1886), the guardianship responsibility also serves as an
extra-constitutional source of authority for Congress to pass legislation affecting Indians."
In other words, the Government doesn't full out "own" the land in the traditional sense. I don't know if the U.N. fully understands the relationship
or not. It's a trust fund on a very large scale. I'd like to see the exact wording of these agreements, but a land trust is basically set up to where
one entity technically owns the land while another entity lives on it, manages it on their local level and, in this case, has it's own set of laws and
constitution. The problem is, the U.S. isn't doing a very good job at overseeing all the real estate it owns and the ins and outs of a very complex
legal relationship. If it were, the living, working and educational conditions of many of these tribes wouldn't be so deplorable. The Pine Ridge
Reservation in South Dakota for instance has the highest rate of suicide per capita in the entire Western Hemisphere. The Western Hemisphere
And this happens on OUR Governments watch. The roles of the Government vs. the roles of the individual tribes can vary from state to state and tribe
to tribe, so placing the finger of blame on exactly what is going wrong is very hard to do.
I just think people come at this from the wrong angle and that's why nothing ever gets accomplished. People choose to see our government as this big,
evil entity that screws people over at every opportunity for their own gain. And in a way they are, but for the most part, people in Washington just
don't know what they're doing. They're idiots, and people give them WAY too much credit when they say "They know exactly what they're doing".
Sorry, no they don't.
This is why when they are pressured to do something, they'll oblige, but they just have a way of not doing things right. It's like they have a knack
for being incompetent. Or maybe they just don't care about something their forefathers gave them. Or maybe, just maybe, that's why they chose the
career path they did....they just don't fit in with the rest of us. And this, I think, is the main reason why the Government and the tribes need to
find a way to get the lands back to the respective tribes. Forget about what happened 200 years ago and making reparations for it. What happened
happened. Get over it. Focus on the here and now and the fact that the Government is in over it's head when handling this amount of real estate under
Personally, I don't know why they would want the job anyway.
edit on 4-5-2012 by Taupin Desciple because: Grammar