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US should return stolen land to Indian tribes, says United Nations

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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Doodle19815
So who governs the land that we "give back"? Do they become their own nation? Where is the 56 million acres of land they are wanting to give back?

I agree the American Native lands were raped and they got a bum deal but come on. How would they thrive and prosper in this deal? And why are there so many unemployed Indians? Why can't they get jobs?


Because they are kept on the reservation. You know, that crappy land where everything is barren where they were all forced to live after their homeland was stolen? Its hard to get jobs when you are systematically kept down...then the Natives got smart and played within the rules and opened casinos legally. Now all the white people are pissed about that and trying to close those down.

It always comes down to money. If you ever try to have money or land like a white person, they get pissed off. They feel they are the only ones allowed to make a living.




posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by dayve
Screw their land.... they got casinos all over the place and reservations, with their own laws and governments. Plus each of them getting 3k+ a month seems like this should never be brought up again.... Someone needs to snatch the land right back from under their feet. Greedy indians


"HOW"

I'm Native Chickasaw and we have a BIG casino....and I don't get a dime.

And greedy? ...greedy for what? That was the UN making that statement, not Native Americans.

My ancestors walked the "Trail of Tears" so your ancestors could take their land.

Was your post an attempt at humor, if so, sorry. If not you seem to be suffering from a super
sense of entitlement. When in reality we are all just alike; all humans, all of us scattered
about on this little blue ball, and *some* of us *think* we own it.

I got news, the only thing you own is the skin you are wearing, and that's on lease from
God...with no warranty and not eligible for insurance.





edit on 5-5-2012 by rival because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Jagermeister

Originally posted by dominicus
I'm all for this. I was born here in the US but I know this land is originally the property of the Natives.America represents immigrants living on stolen land and know seeing how the US is crumbling left & right I see it as karma.

The US should give giant tracts of land back to the Natives. I have some Native friends and they are good people.


To do what with? Do you honestly believe these people are going to leave the casinos and bars to run outside and hunt buffalo? This is completely looney. And again it's as if the natives were all at peace playing with feathers until the big bad white man came and threw them off the land? And it's as if the "natives" are actually native to this land. Native Americans are as native to this land as you or I. Stop it. This ignorance. Stop it.


Soo...all Natives hang out at "bars and casinos" huh? Thats all they do, right? Are you a stereotyping racist much? Stop your ignorance. Just stop it.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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P.S.

I have no problem with this, as long as the transactions can be traced. But I completely reject the principle of returning land back to the natives for the sake of returning land back to the natives.

Land that has been homesteaded by and can be traced back to those particular occupants should be returned. If the land is currently being occupied by private peoples, and the original occupants of that land is no longer among the living, then the land belongs to those living on it.

In general though, I think all public owned lands should be distributed among peoples like the natives to homestead and occupy. The state has no business owning property.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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The whole idea of this is ridiculous. You can't give us Native Americans back anything. The
logistics would be staggering. There are about 3 million or less registered Natives left.

I'll make all you ~illegal aliens~ a deal...Elect Ron Paul as your "leader guy"

...and we'll call it even



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by Jagermeister

Originally posted by dominicus
I'm all for this. I was born here in the US but I know this land is originally the property of the Natives.America represents immigrants living on stolen land and know seeing how the US is crumbling left & right I see it as karma.

The US should give giant tracts of land back to the Natives. I have some Native friends and they are good people.


To do what with? Do you honestly believe these people are going to leave the casinos and bars to run outside and hunt buffalo? This is completely looney. And again it's as if the natives were all at peace playing with feathers until the big bad white man came and threw them off the land? And it's as if the "natives" are actually native to this land. Native Americans are as native to this land as you or I. Stop it. This ignorance. Stop it.


Soo...all Natives hang out at "bars and casinos" huh? Thats all they do, right? Are you a stereotyping racist much? Stop your ignorance. Just stop it.


Answer the question. If the land is given back to your people are you going back to hunting buffalo and living in the wild? Or are you going to continue to sit in your reservation and complain about the abooboo days? I love how you strawman the entire discussion by calling people racist too. This was never your land. Your people are not native to it. Stop the lie and stop the guilt trip.
edit on 5-5-2012 by Jagermeister because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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I can't stand the UN either but the article says we should return SOME of the land and I agree. The thing is which land? Miami? Chicago? Death Valley? Louisiana Bayou? Do they get to choose? Because that would be very interesting to see what they pick. Another thing is if the land can still be encroached by the US Federal laws what good is it anyway? The condition of the Native Americans today is a direct symptom of the genocide that was perpetrated on them. We stripped them of their natural ways of existence and really do pretend as if they've been fairly assimilated into this new culture and it is their own fault if they have a high suicide rate. It's a blemish on Ole Glory in my opinion.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Jagermeister

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by Jagermeister

Originally posted by dominicus
I'm all for this. I was born here in the US but I know this land is originally the property of the Natives.America represents immigrants living on stolen land and know seeing how the US is crumbling left & right I see it as karma.

The US should give giant tracts of land back to the Natives. I have some Native friends and they are good people.


To do what with? Do you honestly believe these people are going to leave the casinos and bars to run outside and hunt buffalo? This is completely looney. And again it's as if the natives were all at peace playing with feathers until the big bad white man came and threw them off the land? And it's as if the "natives" are actually native to this land. Native Americans are as native to this land as you or I. Stop it. This ignorance. Stop it.


Soo...all Natives hang out at "bars and casinos" huh? Thats all they do, right? Are you a stereotyping racist much? Stop your ignorance. Just stop it.


Answer the question. If the land is given back to your people are you going back to hunting buffalo and living in the wild? Or are you going to continue to sit in your reservation and complain about the abooboo days? I love how you strawman the entire discussion by calling people racist too. This was never your land. Your people are not native to it. Stop the lie and stop the guilt trip.
edit on 5-5-2012 by Jagermeister because: (no reason given)


Your right. It was never our land. Which is we thought it was funny (and I still do) that the whites felt the need to "own" it. It is all of ours to share. God didnt give it to white people, as much as they love to believe Manifest Destiny. Why do you need a deed and a sign and afence to keep me off of your property?

What do you care what we or I would do with land if free access was given? Or dont you believe in freedom and self determination?

Furthermore, your assertion that all Natives hang out at "bars and casinos" is indeed racist...just because you dont think it is doesnt mean that it isnt. When you stereotype an entire group of people as drunken gamblers, thats sorta racist. Deny ignorance, right?
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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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So basically there will be no more United States of America, because they took it all



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by rival

I'll make all you ~illegal aliens~ a deal...Elect Ron Paul as your "leader guy"

...and we'll call it even



Yikes...Im afraid you are mistaken. That man would immediately destroy any aid program for any native person, as he thinks they are unconstitutional. That means what little help there is to try and draw even, he would immediately wipe out. Why would you support that??



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by Jagermeister

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by Jagermeister

Originally posted by dominicus
I'm all for this. I was born here in the US but I know this land is originally the property of the Natives.America represents immigrants living on stolen land and know seeing how the US is crumbling left & right I see it as karma.

The US should give giant tracts of land back to the Natives. I have some Native friends and they are good people.


To do what with? Do you honestly believe these people are going to leave the casinos and bars to run outside and hunt buffalo? This is completely looney. And again it's as if the natives were all at peace playing with feathers until the big bad white man came and threw them off the land? And it's as if the "natives" are actually native to this land. Native Americans are as native to this land as you or I. Stop it. This ignorance. Stop it.


Soo...all Natives hang out at "bars and casinos" huh? Thats all they do, right? Are you a stereotyping racist much? Stop your ignorance. Just stop it.


Answer the question. If the land is given back to your people are you going back to hunting buffalo and living in the wild? Or are you going to continue to sit in your reservation and complain about the abooboo days? I love how you strawman the entire discussion by calling people racist too. This was never your land. Your people are not native to it. Stop the lie and stop the guilt trip.
edit on 5-5-2012 by Jagermeister because: (no reason given)


Your right. It was never our land. Which is we thought it was funny (and I still do) that the whites felt the need to "own" it. It is all of ours to share. God didnt give it to white people, as much as they love to believe Manifest Destiny. Why do you need a deed and a sign and afence to keep me off of your property?

What do you care what we or I would do with land if free access was given? Or dont you believe in freedom and self determination?
edit on 5-5-2012 by aching_knuckles because: (no reason given)


You're asking for a significant portion of the United States in return for absolutely nothing. I don't care who draws the lines on the maps. What exactly is your complaint? That your people were running around killing each other on land that you immigrated to just like the Europeans and now you want a hand out? These "reservations" should be shut down and you should have the option to leave the damn country or be an American citizen. If you don't like it here leave.

This is like saying the white man owes reperations to black people because whites owned slaves even though Africans sold their own people into slavery. Go join occupy wallstreet and demand free stuff with the rest of the people that want Government to hold their hand through life.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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My cousin owns the property across the street from the Conservation Clubs which are both Native Burial Grounds.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by rival

I'll make all you ~illegal aliens~ a deal...Elect Ron Paul as your "leader guy"

...and we'll call it even



Yikes...Im afraid you are mistaken. That man would immediately destroy any aid program for any native person, as he thinks they are unconstitutional. That means what little help there is to try and draw even, he would immediately wipe out. Why would you support that??


Because i don't need handouts. I believe to each his own...and Ron Paul scores lower on my BS meter
than any other politician in years.
edit on 5-5-2012 by rival because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by rival
reply to post by imherejusttoread
 



The whole idea of this is ridiculous. You can't give us Native Americans back anything. The
logistics would be staggering. There are about 3 million or less registered Natives left.

I'll make all you ~illegal aliens~ a deal...Elect Ron Paul as your "leader guy"

...and we'll call it even



I agree because Paul would set the game back to a more even playing field and more people would have a better chance to have a happy life. I hope he runs as an independent or I will write him in any way. I also agree the logistics of this is quite silly but there needs to be some sort of act of redemption or absolution on the White Man's part or else the words that build his Constitutional case echo in a hollow chamber. I have both kinds of blood in me so I have no agenda one way or the other, I am looking for fairness. Problem is, so far, life is just not fair.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Jagermeister

This is like saying the white man owes reperations to black people because whites owned slaves even though Africans sold their own people into slavery. Go join occupy wallstreet and demand free stuff with the rest of the people that want Government to hold their hand through life.


Gee, but I guess you arent racist at all right? Ignorant people like you make me sick...the only reason you live a comfortable life right now is off of the backs of natives and blacks....talk about wanting a free ride!!

None of what you see around you, and your life would not be so comfortable, if not for slavery and genocide and racism. Just because you dont want to admit that fact doesnt mean it is not true.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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I'll always disagree with what happened to Native Americans on this continent. This is one reason I hate patriotism. I have no problem with admitting that my country was founded on deceit and murder. However, what's done is done. Time cannot be turned back (yet) and this is just the way that things are.

What the hell do they mean 'give the land back'? Does that imply that they will be shipping all non-Native Americans back to their ancestral homelands? I'm sure Europe doesn't want a bunch of Americans moving over there.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by rival

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by rival

I'll make all you ~illegal aliens~ a deal...Elect Ron Paul as your "leader guy"

...and we'll call it even



Yikes...Im afraid you are mistaken. That man would immediately destroy any aid program for any native person, as he thinks they are unconstitutional. That means what little help there is to try and draw even, he would immediately wipe out. Why would you support that??


Because i don't need handouts. I believe to each his own...and Ron Paul scores lower on my BS meter
than any other politician in years.
edit on 5-5-2012 by rival because: (no reason given)


Who wants a handout...but natives have been systematically repressed for hundreds of years...how are you supposed to compete in the race when everyone else has a 200 meter head start?? I know many natives who are successful obviously, but if you have ever been on a res, you know that some people need help, badly.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Jagermeister
Go join occupy wallstreet and demand free stuff with the rest of the people that want Government to hold their hand through life.

Ignorant philistine. They aren't demanding to have a free ride through life. They are demanding an end to all financial corruption. It's long overdue.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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Libertarianism is the correct philosophy to live by right now. It does not classify people into groups such as women, gays, blacks, hispanics, etc. Can anyone think of a better way to get rid of institutionalized racism? I don't think individual racism will end until the races are so interbred no one can tell the difference anyway. It's inevitable unless the majority of people want to go back and follow something like Hitler's model? anybody?



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by Jagermeister

This is like saying the white man owes reperations to black people because whites owned slaves even though Africans sold their own people into slavery. Go join occupy wallstreet and demand free stuff with the rest of the people that want Government to hold their hand through life.


Gee, but I guess you arent racist at all right? Ignorant people like you make me sick...the only reason you live a comfortable life right now is off of the backs of natives and blacks....talk about wanting a free ride!!

None of what you see around you, and your life would not be so comfortable, if not for slavery and genocide and racism. Just because you dont want to admit that fact doesnt mean it is not true.


I'm not ignorant to the fact that freedom was built on the backs of slavery, but this has nothing to do with racism. There is not one person alive that is responsible for that. You need to get off your high horse and understand that freedom isn't about being given free garbage. You want "your land"? Your people should have taken it when they had the option to instead of playing golden brick road all the way to the camps that you so lovely call home. I'm sick of the self entitled bullcrap. Nobody owes you or your people a damn thing. At the very least your people lost a war and thus are not entitled to anything. But as I said if you want to go be an indian nobody is stopping you. Go out in the wild and abooboo all the live long day buddy. But do not strawman me with racism.



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