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Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by usmc0311
I admire your courage, as I honestly have not been able to unlock that vault in my head that I put all my problems into. I served in the Canadian Forces for 4 years and experienced many of the things that you detailed here and more that I just can't seem to bring myself to talk about because every time I do, I slump into a depressive state for weeks on end, not being able to think about anything else, or even see the silver lining. The fact remains, though, that we enlisted. We signed our butts away, believing that what we were doing was good for our countrymen, and I'm sure you have realized, just as I did, that war is all about money. Pure and simple. I honestly think that if more of us on either side of the border came out and exposed war for what it really is, I think that maybe we could put a dent in their recruiting quotas and maybe some kid that wants to enlist for the wrong reasons will be given the info he/she needs to conclude that it is not even close to the right thing to do. See, the thing that really ticks me off is whenever I meet some punk who wants to enlist and try to educate them about military life, with their reaction being either a glazed-over stare or sheer incredulity (the typical "You don't know what you're talking about." response). Meh, if you think it's bad in the 'States, here's some food for thought. I attend Royal Canadian Legion get-togethers regularily and have not yet met even one fellow vet that will admit how messed up things are. I suppose they are afraid of the NDAs that we have to sign on enlistment, or maybe they are just so into the whole "Fight fear. Fight Chaos" propaganda schtick. I often wonder what it would take for them to step up and shed some light on a very dark area that many Canadians know nothing about. I only know that just me or you talking about it is not nearly enough. We need more credible voices for any impact to be felt. Meh. Stay frosty.
Originally posted by MeesterB
I've always heard horror stories about the VA. Truly a shame seeing as how a pat on the back doesn't do too much for toxic exposure.
Anyway, my prayers for you and yours. I'm glad to hear your daughter makes life worth living. Hold on to that
Originally posted by PlausibleDeniability
Hey man. I am on my phone so I cant say everything i want to but the main thing I would like to tell you is thank you. Thank you for serving our country and for all you have sacrificed. I cant believe you are being disrespected sobmuch as a veteran by those around you. Well I can believe the VA is screwing you but the fact that your family as well as the public looks down on you, well that makes my blood boil. I live in the hippy capital of the world and everywhere I go Iraq and Afghan vets are treated like heros. I dont understand why your being treated that way man.
My girlffriend is an OIF vet as well. She joined right before 911 not knowing what was about to happen and her job was driving trucks as supply. Driving IED magnets all day every day. Needless ti say some very bad things happened and she has major PTSD. Driving anywhere for her now is very very hard, and thats putting it mildly. If you startle her even a little she damn near feints and instantly goes into a massive panic attack. Its like watching someones last moments when they know they are about to die. Its horrible. Her experience with the VA has also been a joke. She had to write down in grpahic detail about every experience she had that she thinks has caused her problems. She cried the whole time she was filling it out and was mentally not right for almost 2 weeks...and then the VA LOST IT and made her do it again. And thats just one of my complaints with them...i hqve many many more.
My stepdad is a gulfwar vet and has the infamous gulf war syndrome which may have been caused by DU or maybe the vacinations. It took him YEARS of fighting to finally be adknowledged and treated. Now he gets monthly payments and is taken pretty decent care of. My mom is also a disabled vet and it took her YEARS to finally get treated. She also gets a montly check. They are boyh pretty much VA experts now and have been helping my gf work her way through the system. I just wanted to tell you what they tell her. The VA will jerk you around forever and play paper work games as long as they can. You must keep playing their game ajd just keep at it. It will take a very long time but eventually they will adknowledge your problems and begin to give you decejt treatment. Dont stop man just keep trying. It is REDICULOUS that they do this to WAR vets.
Good luck man, and thanks again. You deserve the highest of respect I hope one day you find it
Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
An alarming quote from a major key figure on this planet. A 'mover and shaker' behind the scenes for a LONG time now:
[color=limegreen]"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." Henry Kissinger
This is how our military folks are truly viewed. Enough said...edit on 4-5-2012 by HangTheTraitors because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kovenov
reply to post by usmc0311
Cumulatively, I've approximately 3.5 years between Iraq & Afghanistan. In all that time I could never discern the national security value of spurting blood, burnt human flesh, screaming women, kids running out of nowhere thru someone's line of fire, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera with my belief in duty & value as a human being. I mean you've got to be a hard SOB in a hostile fire zone, especialy if you're leading. Doesn't mean you're a tyrant or lack a sense of humor & compassion, but we shut off so many things "out there" & probably spend the rest of our lives recycling it when we're not there. After a while a dude may get to the point where he doesn't feel right again until he's "out there" again, until at some point he verges on becoming the menace for which he was sent to overcome.
Anyway, I have no answers & avoid the VA. What gets me by is solitude, my current academic studies, and an occasional date to work out the kinks. Beyond that I'd like to climb to the summit of K2, step foot on Antarctica, and participate in an Eco Challenge (not sure if Eco Challenge still occurs, however). Simple and not-so-simple stuff, but I find that it keeps me focused & content.
Take care, man. Really mean that, too.