My reasons for thinking WTC7 was probably a controlled demolition!

reply to post by Alfie1


Sorry, that would be the true audio that was recovered with the video. You are hearing the nano thermite cutting charges (with the delay caused by the cameras distance from the blasts) I'm sorry you have such a hard time with the reality of a controlled demolition. The green light was finally given to pull it after some haggling over insurance coverage. You see, the leaseholder, Larry Silverstein had a day-long argument about whether he was still covered if they actuated the "pulling" of the building. That's why it didn't fall until 5:20PM, because poor old Larry had to verify he'd still be paid for building 7, if they blew it up! He ended up being paid quite handsomely!

reply to post by Whaler31


Rubbish, show me another collapse video with the firecrackers .

Where are your firecrackers here :-

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Whaler31


Why were the insurers happy to pay out and then take part in a cover up? And why did Silverstein admit to the conspiracy in an interview? Is he an idiot?

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
reply to post by Whaler31

 

Why were the insurers happy to pay out and then take part in a cover up? And why did Silverstein admit to the conspiracy in an interview? Is he an idiot?

Because he's in "The Club". When you're in "The Club" you can't be touched. Larry was letting his "Club" friends know that he'd better get his money or some other stuff might "slip".

This is a conspiracy among a relatively small faction of the Power Elite. The evidence clearly indicates that. And yet you're trying to make honest truth-seeking people look stupid because they don't know what arrangements these clowns had or how they were dealing with each other behind the scenes when things didn't go exactly according to plan?

Same crap, different day with you.

Originally posted by Alfie1

Rubbish

Prove that it's "rubbish".

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
reply to post by Whaler31

 

Why were the insurers happy to pay out and then take part in a cover up? And why did Silverstein admit to the conspiracy in an interview? Is he an idiot?

The insurers paid up because the courts told them to pay Silverstein. The insurance cover for the $96 million purchase of the WTC was in excess of $2.3 billion with a specialist cover for acts of terrorism taken out shortly before 9/11.

A federal jury on Monday ruled that the assault on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center was in fact two occurrences for insurance purposes. The finding in U.S. District Court in Manhattan means leaseholder Larry Silverstein may collect up to $4.6 billion

www.forbes.com...

The insurers Swiss Re strongly objected paying Silverstein a penny because they smelled a rat. The initial refused to pay the full cover on the basis that no loss would be suffered because of the existing asbestos problem in the towers.

The Silverstein lawyers countered with the argument that since there were two airplanes that struck the building, the insurers should pay the full insurance cover twice. Silverstein got a further payment for Building 7 which he "pulled".


The insurance company was involved in no "cover up"; they were financially raped by Silverstein.

Are you now paying more for you car and household insurance? You now know why.

reply to post by Whaler31


No it is not the correct audio, as it would appear that someone added in the "explosions" and the sounds.

Why is it that "Truthers" or those that proclaim to be for the truth, create, distort, and fabricate lies, and pass it off as truth? That is called lying. This is not the first video that the "Truth" Movement has fabricated and tried to pass off as real. It is strange that the "OS" does not need to fake video, and shows it as is, while the "Truth" movement feels it necessary to fabricate lies and distort videos to show something that did NOT happen. Why is that? Truthers are caught lying through their teeth, and the gullible are suckered in and believe it, and the spread the lie, just as you have. Not your fault. You didnt know better. But you just posted a false video that LIES blatantly. Why does the "truth" movement need to lie to you, to get you to believe their crap?

Originally posted by GenRadek
It is strange that the "OS" does not need to fake video, and shows it as is, while the "Truth" movement feels it necessary to fabricate lies and distort videos to show something that did NOT happen.

CENSORED 60 Minutes Interview / 911 Fakery Was A Media Job

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by SimontheMagus

Originally posted by GenRadek
It is strange that the "OS" does not need to fake video, and shows it as is, while the "Truth" movement feels it necessary to fabricate lies and distort videos to show something that did NOT happen.

CENSORED 60 Minutes Interview / 911 Fakery Was A Media Job

www.youtube.com...

And this video proves what exactly? That Bush Jr. had it in for Saddam from the beginning? Geeze Truthers cant even keep the title of their video in line with the video. Thank you for wasting 7 minutes of my life on garbage that I already knew that Bush wanted to go kick Saddam's butt from day 1. This video had NOTHING to do with 9/11 or media or anything. Thank you for proving my point about Truther videos. They make no sense, and lie to get their point across. I was expecting a video about 9/11 and media fakery. Instead I was treated to an interview that talked about how Bush wanted to kick Iraq's butt and get oil too. I was lied to. Thank you for proving my point,

Do you have an explanation as to why Truthers feel the need to lie so much? Why title a video about 9/11 that has nothing to do with 9/11? Lied to! Again! By "Truthers"

reply to post by GenRadek


The same intelligence agencies involved in pulling off 9/11 certainly have infiltrated the 9/11 Truth Movement and are helping to delegitimize and destroy it from inside.

And no, I can't prove it.

reply to post by Elbereth


So that holds about as much water as me claiming it was Changelings from the planet Zorkon that infiltrated the government and caused 9/11 to blame the Reptillians for it.

But wait, so are you saying that the "Truth" Movement has been inflitrated by the evil secret government entities to discredit them? So that means that the makers of Loose Change, Sept Clues, AE9/114T, *****9/114T, Richard Gage, Harriet, Dr. Griffin, Steven Jones, and all of the 9/11 Truth carbon copy websites are all in fact, CIA/NSA/FBI/MIB/NWO/Illuminotti/Micky Mouse Club/etc infiltrators discrediting the "Truth" Movement? WOW!!!

So what exactly are the "Truth" movement believers going for, if not controlled demolitions, therm*tes, holograms, no planes, missiles, media fakery, everything fake, death rays from space, nukes in basement, Mossad/Zionists/Jews doing it, etc etc etc? Are all the previously mentioned topics actual nonsense created by these secret group infilitrators?

Originally posted by Elbereth
reply to post by GenRadek

 

The same intelligence agencies involved in pulling off 9/11 certainly have infiltrated the 9/11 Truth Movement and are helping to delegitimize and destroy it from inside.

And no, I can't prove it.

Why?

Really - why would they bother? Its been 10 years now going on 11. Nobody believes 9/11 is an inside job without regard to anyone in the movement, "infiltraitor" or not.

reply to post by GenRadek


You draw some strange and over-the-top inferences from my statement. I'm not wasting my time unravelling them all. Maybe you should Google the meaning of "infiltrated," or as Hooper incorrectly quotes me "infiltraitor."

ATS thread--How many Americans believe 911 was an inside job??

Originally posted by Elbereth
reply to post by GenRadek

 

You draw some strange and over-the-top inferences from my statement.

That's all they ever do in the OS camp. Nothing new here. It's so glaringly obvious that they don't even believe their own garbage, they're only here to promote an agenda: Interrupt, interfere, obfuscate, deflect, distort, confuse... say anything and everything to prevent rational minds from coming together to form a consensus based on reality.

It makes you wonder why its so important to them to show up on every thread faster than flies on horse manure on a hot steamy summer day in Central Park if we're all so ignorant and stupid to not believe the ever-so-moral-forthright-and-virtuous US Government.

reply to post by SimontheMagus

Interrupt, interfere, obfuscate, deflect, distort, confuse... say anything and everything to prevent rational minds from coming together to form a consensus based on reality.

Rational minds are in the eye of the beholder.

Let me ask a simple question.
If there is all this mountains of evidence why haven't any of these big name truthers RG, DA and the others, ever taken their evidence to court against the OS?

Originally posted by SimontheMagus
That's all they ever do in the OS camp. Nothing new here. It's so glaringly obvious that they don't even believe their own garbage, they're only here to promote an agenda: Interrupt, interfere, obfuscate, deflect, distort, confuse... say anything and everything to prevent rational minds from coming together to form a consensus based on reality.

It makes you wonder why its so important to them to show up on every thread faster than flies on horse manure on a hot steamy summer day in Central Park if we're all so ignorant and stupid to not believe the ever-so-moral-forthright-and-virtuous US Government.

Pray tell, what exactly is being interrupted, interfered, obfuscated, deflected, distorted, confused, about what I or anyone else says when we put down the "truth" movement's lies, and expose them as such? I guess we are in a way interrupting lies/half truths/nonsense, interfering with the spread of lies and nonsense of the "Truth" movement, clarify things that have been obfuscated by the "Truth" movement, deflect people from lies and garbage spewed out by the "Truth" Movement, straighten out the nosense and lies of the "Truth" Movement, and sharpen the minds that are being confused by the snake-oil salesmen of the "Truth" Movement.

And yes, you are correct, what is being spread by the "Truth" movement is horse manure. I agree with you 100%. We are attracted to it because we do not wish others to sucked into this manure and have them come out smelling like it.

But hey, rather than poke fun at you, how about you show us where we have done anything of the sort you clame for us to have done? Was me pointing out the obviously EDITED video that FALSELY showed explosions on WTC7, which was created by no other than a TRUTHER? How is that bad? I thought telling the facts is what the "Truth" movement wa\nts. So what is wrong with checking and stopping lies and BS?

Originally posted by SimontheMagus

It's so glaringly obvious that they don't even believe their own garbage, they're only here to promote an agenda: Interrupt, interfere, obfuscate, deflect, distort, confuse... say anything and everything to prevent rational minds from coming together to form a consensus based on reality.

Let's see what evidence there is of "rational minds " " coming together to form a consensus " shall we. Off the top of my head we have truthers putting forward :

Planes
No planes
Military planes
Remote controlled planes
Missiles
Drones
CGI
Holograms
Controlled demolition by thermite
by conventional explosive
by nuclear weapons
by directed energy weapons
Carried out by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al
The Jews
The CIA
CIA/Mossad
Mossad
Larry Silverstein as an insurance scam

Yes the consensus is obviously coming along fine.

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by SimontheMagus

It's so glaringly obvious that they don't even believe their own garbage, they're only here to promote an agenda: Interrupt, interfere, obfuscate, deflect, distort, confuse... say anything and everything to prevent rational minds from coming together to form a consensus based on reality.

Let's see what evidence there is of "rational minds " " coming together to form a consensus " shall we. Off the top of my head we have truthers putting forward :

Planes
No planes
Military planes
Remote controlled planes
Missiles
Drones
CGI
Holograms
Controlled demolition by thermite
by conventional explosive
by nuclear weapons
by directed energy weapons
Carried out by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al
The Jews
The CIA
CIA/Mossad
Mossad
Larry Silverstein as an insurance scam

Yes the consensus is obviously coming along fine.

From your list, I wonder what part is slander, what is disinformation and what part the truth.

I believe 9/11 was an inside job and I note how you gleefully denigrate concerned citizens with delusional thinking, anti-semitism and the absurd.

A person slings mud when they have run out of argument.

Originally posted by GenRadek
We are attracted to it because we do not wish others to sucked into this manure and have them come out smelling like it.

But hey, rather than poke fun at you, how about you show us where we have done anything of the sort you clame for us to have done? Was me pointing out the obviously EDITED video that FALSELY showed explosions on WTC7, which was created by no other than a TRUTHER? How is that bad? I thought telling the facts is what the "Truth" movement wa\nts. So what is wrong with checking and stopping lies and BS?

Well now that is the most honorable and noble thing I have ever heard anyone say. Kudos to you guys. I didn't think you cared.

I put this excuse for your devotion to these threads up there with "why the hell does our government car so much about cavities that they have to put a Nazi dumbing-down agent like fluoride in our drinking water. They should be so diligent when it comes to cancer prevention. I guess cavities aren't profitable enough for big pharma.

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
From your list, I wonder what part is slander, what is disinformation and what part the truth.

I believe 9/11 was an inside job and I note how you gleefully denigrate concerned citizens with delusional thinking, anti-semitism and the absurd.

I have been on this forum for quite some time and I can attest to seeong peopse postign every one of these conspiracy accusations, including one which was overlooked; the WTC were fake buildings. I do not believe this is delusional thinking- they're simply getting their opinions from a different damned fool conspiracy web site than the one that you go to and they don't know they're being suckered by internet con artists any more than you do.

Nobody, but nobody, watching the events of 9/11 unfold that day spontaneously wondered whether the planes that hit the buildings were really holograms. Someone came along after the fact and put the idea into their heads.

A person slings mud when they have run out of argument.

...which is exactly the same reason why truthers always need to rely on the pitiful excuse of "armies of sinister secret agents planted everywhere". Everything from how the explosives got into the building, to why so many witnesses reported seeing the exact opposite of what the truthers are insisting, to why so many engineers and professionals have ruled against the conspiracy theories, to all the physical evidence found, to even people posting here are all "armies of sinister secret agents planted everywhere". That, and "the gov't has an infinite amount of resources and money and they can do anything". It's just another way of saying "I don't know so I'll just make something up that sounds good."

The next time your kid has a math test and is asked what two plus two is, tell your kid to say "it's normally four but the gov't has an infinite amount of resources and money and their armies of secret agents can make it five if they wanted to". See how far that excuse goes.