Ron Paul Ad Destroys the Entire Establishment

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
reply to post by Dustytoad

 

I told a friend who claimed to be an Independent that he truly was NOT one because he would NEVER vote for RP because he was a Republican. personally I don't support party lines and the only other person I ever voted for was Ross Perot.

Ross Perot was the last presidential candidate I actually believed in.

Of course, TPTB nearly destroyed Perot before he bailed from the race. But that was because Perot was a REAL threat to TPTB.

Ron Paul is NOT a real threat to TPTB because they know there is no way Paul is going to win. Plus the Obama camp is happy to have Paul dividing the Anti-Obama forces.

Ron Paul will ensure an Obama re-election.

Originally posted by AboveBoard
reply to post by vkey08

 

I really appreciate your comment and you are dead-on. Ron Paul's response to a boy with autism who asked what he would do for special needs kids was "liberty is our most precious resource." He said that to reframe the child's comment that "children are our most precious resource." For parents of special needs and medically fragile kids, Ron Paul's answer is nothing short of a nightmare. How exactly, are we to pursue the magic of "liberty" and "prosperity" when we are dealing with issues like an incontinent teenager who is non-verbal and self-injurious? When you can't safely have them in the car with another child without a trained adult in between them due to their 'behaviors'? How do you get groceries? How do you PAY for groceries when the school is no longer obligated to take your child by law, and you now have them at home with you full-time until you die? Family caregivers have a much higher risk for serious, stress related illnesses - how do we pay for our own declining health and care for ourselves while managing 100% of our child's needs? What are the the real-life consequences of unrestrained program-gutting? Efficiency in government is a good thing, abandonment of the people for the sake of 'liberty' is not a good thing. And special needs kids can come into any family - especially with autism now at 1 in 88 kids. RP envisions a "transition" period where some of these programs would stay in place, and then what? Not trying to start an argument with folks here, as I respect everyone's right to their own political opinions. Just asking some questions that keep me up at night...
Here is the link to the answer RP gives:
www.youtube.com...

The case you bring up is heartbreaking. Ron Paul is NOT going to be elected, so that's a non-issue.

Obama will increase the national debt as quickly as possible to collapse our currency. There isn't any money to pay for social programs now, we are borrowing money to pay for everything. Then with a collapsed dollar, we will no longer be able to borrow money. Out of this chaos, a totalitarian socialist government will arise. The US will no longer be a sovereign nation. Obama is totally NWO.

TPTB behind the GOP want to maintain US hegemony -- which means keeping the USD afloat as long as possible. If Romney is elected, I believe he will try to SLOW down the inevitable collapse, by cutting programs where possible.

Our oil-based economy and fiat currency are going to collapse. If you want a fast collapse, vote Obama.
If you want a slower collapse that might buy you some time to prepare, vote for Romney.

In ANY case, the good old days of government-funded social programs are over.

Those who do not have the means to cope with "special needs" kids or adults (Alzheimer's) will have to depend on their own family, neighbors, or charity. It is tragic.

Originally posted by gunshooter
I like the ad a lot. ya know what scares me, and this is pretty far fetched, but I think it is still within the ability of our government. They (TPTB) let Ron Paul get elected, then assassinate him within his first year to show the people that even with a decent vote we still can't have a good leader. Worst case scenario, I know it's a long shot, but I try not to leave any plausible scenario out for what could happen to this country. IMHO I think it does not matter who we vote for, the system is so rigged, and there is so much crooked money out there that it's going to be Romney weather we like it or not. Though I would prefer Paul.

Romney may be the pre-chosen GOP candidate, but I'm pretty sure Obama will be re-elected.

Ron Paul?

Yeah, rrrright. As an internet-meme he's a success. He's also a canary in a coal-mine, but would You want a canary to govern us?

Get real.

Last thing I am gonna post about this whole election-circus. A clowncar is a clowncar, whatever clown sits at the steering-wheel.

(ps. The "Ron Paul hype" and messias-like position the poor geezer has gotten, remonds me a lot of the hype surrounding Obama...)

Sjeezzz...how stupid can the electorate get? One "Messiah" falls from his throne, and they already appointed a new Messiah... * shakes head*


     
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.”

reply to post by AuranVector

Perot had his own money to back him up and that's one of the things I liked about him. Ron Paul has the American people and the military to back him up and that's one of the things I like about him. If he ran Independent he'd take voters away from both of them and most of the Independent voters and win in a landslide. That's what TPTB are afraid of.

Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
Well if Ron Paul is not our next president, you can find me on my roof with my trusty Scoped M1-C and a few thousand rounds. As this, I fear, is the only way to get back our CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

Agent provocateur detected. We don't need anyone advocating violence. Take this kinda BS elsewhere.

Ron Paul has been exposing the entire establishment for more then 40 yrs

He was fighting on stage for the Americans rights like the Hulk
All the room was against him and the interviewer smoking a cig on TV
was insulting Ron Paul during the entire show
at one point i though he was going to assault RP

Those ignorant on the show were owned by Ron Paul
he dominated all the room and came the winner at the end



First time i see the video .. he never stop speaking from its heart

Originally posted by openminded2011
This SO reminds me of arguing with RP supporters I decided to post it. RE if you dont support RP you are not a patriot (if you are not with RP you are against us)

edit on 5-5-2012 by openminded2011 because: (no reason given)

ObiWan is Ron Paul as my Avatar shows

Ron Paul allegiance is to the the American Constitution, not the American Empire, and Neocons like Bush/Cheney are dealing with absolutes of "not with me, then your against me" on foreign policy is very Sith like.

How is someone who is supposed to be for freedom of the people be against abortion? I know many of you are groaning but this is big issue. I'm supposed to believe that Ron Paul will not hurt the constitution because he promises not to, but Obama promised the same thing and lied. However Ron Paul directly states that he is Pro-Life, which, being based on RELIGIOUS beliefs, is both a blow to the separation of church and state and the liberties of women. I can't ignore this contradiction.

Originally posted by hololeap
How is someone who is supposed to be for freedom of the people be against abortion? I know many of you are groaning but this is big issue. I'm supposed to believe that Ron Paul will not hurt the constitution because he promises not to, but Obama promised the same thing and lied. However Ron Paul directly states that he is Pro-Life, which, being based on RELIGIOUS beliefs, is both a blow to the separation of church and state and the liberties of women. I can't ignore this contradiction.

That's an excellent point you've brought up. The Ron Paul supporters divide into two basic camps:

1.) Those who understand what Ron Paul is about -- "Back to 1820!" minimal government and that ole time religion -- are true to their Far Right roots. They are NOT delusional.

2.) Those who choose NOT to see what Ron Paul is about and have projected their fantasies on their new "Savior". These are former Obama supporters (who couldn't see that Obama was an obvious fraud in 2008) and who put this #$%* in the White House. The political platforms of Obama & Ron Paul are so far apart it's not even funny. Yet they are so delusional, they cannot recognize their own illogic.

The REAL choice is between Romney & Obama. There is an important difference between the two, despite the fact both are NWO.

Obama is supported by the Far Left for their own agenda. The NWO does not care which brand ot totalitarian control they use, as long as they have control. They want to collapse the US as quickly as possible. This means HUGE misery for the average US citizen.

The chaos created will make the US more vulnerable to foreign threats. The US has many enemies who would love to pillage the US and generally get even. Obama only cares about Obama.

Romney is supported by those who want to maintain US hegemony -- which means they will do whatever it takes to keep the USD afloat and jumpstart the US economy. They will take steps to slow down & delay the inevitable collapse. It will buy time for the average American to prepare for the inevitable collapse of the oil-based economy.

The good old days are never coming back to the US. The world changed, the US changed in profound ways that cannot be reversed. The jobs lost over the last 30 years are not coming back anytime soon. The pre-9/11 US will never be restored.

reply to post by Zecharia


I dont understand what you mean, if its the carburettor or the ion plasma drive


....edit sorry my bad

reply to post by AuranVector


But that's the beauty of Ron Paul! As a Libertarian he is allowed to have those "contradictions." That is his right. He isn't restrained by a single view point. It's what he believes. How many politicians, especially politicians running for president, cave to the established deconstructed brainwashing that plagues this nation?

The irony is such that anyone who sees his view as a problem exposes their own limited and short-sighted intellect, or what I would call, a severe paralysis of intellect!

I've been educating myself, as well as my grandparent's, about Dr. Paul for the last year; thanks to ATS for showing me that there is a trustworthy candidate (who totally has my vote!) out there. My grandparents wanted to vote for Obama at first because they are Democrats and have always voted that way; and also, the only way they get their news is from the MSM. They had never heard of Ron Paul before I started talking more and more about him as I learned more and more. Now, my grandfather is pulling for Dr. Paul, though my grandma (who honestly, and sadly, does not know what she is talking about, she just regurgitates what she hears on the MSM) is still wanting to vote for Obama. I also invited my cousins and little brothers & sisters to my apartment last weekend to watch some youtube vids on Ron Paul; most of them contacted me later to thank me for showing them who he is. I told them they can thank me, but more importantly thank Dr. Paul, by voting for him, to which they said, "hell yeah!"

Ron Paul 2012!!!!!!

Too bad that there is no alternative timeline in real life ... i really would like to see Ron Paulbeing president and I wonder how he would get along ... or how long if still resisting the wiring with the strings of the puppeteers ...

there are some things i disagree w/RP.
but like the guy in the vid says..."he's one of us not one of them."
just for the record i'm not a typical RP supporter - i'm 62 - and all of you old guys (like me) need to re-think...if the kids, the ones that will inherit the earth want RP - then let's give him his turn.
besides an old prez is not going to be around long enough to collect a fortune in tax dollars.
RP is on record as stating he will draw only a 39k (average american wage earner) salary.

PRESIDENT PAUL - 2012

anyone get that in your face and RP still handled it...not sure i see why that guy even had a talk show.
reply to post by Ben81
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cripe - anyone here understand wtf they were so angry about???
RP held his ground.
the same as he does now.
"Freedom is Tolerance." RON PAUL PRESIDENT - 2012

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm posting this other members thread here because would really like to discuss this further and the thread has seemed to slow down.

I am a Ron Paul supporter, however this is another video that claims "mass" arrests are coming soon and according to this ex-marine Obama is in the know and is actually working toward that end, and infact may be a good guy? Is this possible?

He claims the reason Obama passed into law being able to arrest citizens without allowing them a lawyer, is to inable him to arrest the "criminals" without having them be able to use money and lawyers to avoid justice, kinda makes sense.....maybe?

What do others think?

I am baffled at all of this figurative fellating of Ron Paul...or any political candidate for that matter. They are all B.S.-artists of the highest order. They talk a good talk, but when it comes time to make it happen none of these jerks get it done. Period. Paul's rhetoric may be appealing (it doesn't resonate with me personally, but neither does the spewage of any politician), but what makes you so sure this guy can deliver? Because he says he will? Really? Do you think that maybe what he says just sounds too good to be true? Presidents are elected on promises; promises none keep or have the possibility of keeping. I know Paul's draw is that he's viewed as an alternative...but is he really the best alternative? Wasn't his son Rand on record saying that anyone keeping more than a weeks worth of food and guns a terrorist (paraphrasing)? Pretty anti-you-and-me don't you think? I understand the father isn't the son, but there's talk that Ron's just setting the stage for his son to really be the one to become POTUS at some point in the future.

In my opinion, the best candidate is most likely some person we've never heard of...someone really talented who would be a great breath of fresh air, yet due to the political madness that is our government would never bother to waste their time. The bureaucracy gets in the way of any real progress and attempts at improvement. Be wary thinking Paul has all the answers or he's "different." My guess is he's just like all of the others...talking a good talk to get where he wants to go. Put down the kool-aid and really ask yourself if you haven't been taken for a ride on the rhetoric train. You folks can rip me for this all you want, and I don't care. There is just no proof that Ron Paul is any different...except that HE SAYS he is. I just think people should consider that no matter who you support, the American people will still loose...not necessarily because of the candidate but because of the system.

If Paul becomes POTUS some day and is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I'll gladly eat some crow. I can't help but feel he's just the latest bullcrap slinger (at best) or just a guy who likes to cause political turmoil (e.g. Ralph Nader).

reply to post by wildbillsteamcock

I'm every bit as cynical as you are. However, I want Paul to win just to see what happens next.

reply to post by Tadeusz


The government/political system is hard-wired, the president is just a modular piece...replace the cog and the machine keeps turning. I don't think its possible that any one president could change the system, no matter how much they fought against it. I'm fairly young (32) and I don't think I will see significant change in my lifetime. Paul supporters think this cat is different because they want him to be...it doesn't make it so.