Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by EvanB
Clearly the undemocratic and illegal EU are a clear and present danger to our nations sovereignty.

Illegal? Why?

I am pretty sure it would be illegal according to most countries constitution. The leaders of European countries have basically given it away so they can get top jobs in EU when they retire from politics.
Our countries are now run by a bunch of UNELECTED bureaucrats with us the people having nothing to say.

My country "Norway" is not even officially in EU since we the people voted no. But instead our prime minster went behind our back and sold us out to be a EU light member, which basically is the same thing. Whenever EU passes some law they force it down our throats and the puppies of politicians accept it all.

Anti-Christ 101 right here gentlemen.

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Let me be clear, I am British, English to be more precise, from the City of Manchester. Born and bred and educated here. I am also European.

Great Britain is part of the European continental tectonic plate, that makes Great Britain geographically European. Like it or not. Its a simple hard fact. However, this does not mean our identity is European. Geographical presence and national identity are two totally different things.

Many British people still have the mindset from when Great Britain was a colonial superpower. Rule Britannia and all that.

Being English, I've heard a lot of British people wax lyrical about Great Britain being in the EEA, EU etc. saying we needto leave, and all that tripe. One of the recurring arguments I hear from them is that the European Parliament are a bunch of unelected officials.

Not so. On the European mainland, they get to vote for their Euro-MP's. So why don't we have the same privilege? Simple, our own government decided that we weren't intelligent enough to understand European affairs, and denied us that right, choosing to appoint our Euro-MP's on our behalf.

In the end, you should blame our government for our own marginalization, not Europe, who time and time again tried to involve us more and more. Each time they were rebuffed by our own government.

Want to know what Europe has done for us? We only have a right of free speech due to European laws. Our own laws gave us a "Negative right to the freedom of expression", which basically means we can only say what our government wanted us to. The right to the freedom of speech is a pretty fundamental right imho.

However nothing I or anyone else will say will change your mind, so please, carry on your anti-European paranoia unabated, while the rest of us just shake our heads in despair.

Originally posted by BMorris
On the European mainland, they get to vote for their Euro-MP's. So why don't we have the same privilege? Simple, our own government decided that we weren't intelligent enough to understand European affairs, and denied us that right, choosing to appoint our Euro-MP's on our behalf.

I didn't know that, I thought that all countries had elections for the European Parliament.

Thanks for that, now I understand a little better why the British are so much against the EU.

Poor UK! This nationalist approach is the problem: The poeple of each nation are in danger of being stripped of their rights, they only gain more and more obligations to pay for sth. they didn't want and they didn't f*** up.We are all drawn into this vicious vortex and it's time like it neverwas before for a peaceful grass roots movement bottom up to get rid of the evil that poisons the life of everyone of us ... literally...