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Romney blasts Obama on jobs, calls April figures 'terrible'

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posted on May, 4 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
Of course, Romney couldn't come up with any alternatives of how to create jobs, other than telling everyone that "Obama has increased the size of Federal Government by 150,000, and I would end Obamacare".

I wonder how many of the people in the crowd cheering at the GOP ending Obamacare have preexisting conditions that would make them ineligible for health insurance without Obamacare?

I wonder how many of them will be one of the 14 million people that Insurance companies have said will have their healthcare plans cancelled immediately if Obamacare is cancelled?


Many States had preexisting plans before ObamaCare.

ObamaCare's temporary plan could easily be continued in an emergency legislation.
That part is not illegal or unconstitutional.

No one will object because the insurance companies make a slight profit anyway.

The ObamaCare debacle falls directly on Congress and the elected officials that pressed it.

It is full of legal flaws that have been exposed over and over already.

here's a link to the website --> Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP)


And, what is 14 million people that Insurance companies have said will have their healthcare plans cancelled immediately if Obamacare is cancelled ...... ?

I can't find any info on that.




posted on May, 4 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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This entire economic turn of events that Obama is fixing is exactly why America should
not vote for Corporatist Conservatives. Because at least the liberal Corporatists care about
individual people and their standard of living. While Conservatives would see no problem in
employing toddlers and paying people $.15 an hour. Liberals would rather foster the highest
wages then swell the profits of a few.


Interesting comparison.

Perhaps you could expand on the differences between Corporatist Conservatives and liberal Corporatists ?


""Liberals would rather foster the highest
wages then swell the profits of a few. ""

I wonder why we are seeing all the low wage job creation ?



posted on May, 4 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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More insight.

More accurate numbers.



The civilian labor force shrank in April by 342,000 workers and remains below where it stood when the economic recovery started 34 months ago, according to data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.




Had the labor force not declined, unemployment would have been 8.3% in April, instead of the 8.1% reported.




That same month, more than 225,000 workers applied for Social Security disability benefits, and nearly 90,000 were enrolled, according to new data from the Social Security Administration.




Economists note that the shrinking labor force has masked the true size of the unemployment problem, since people who quit looking for a job are no longer counted as unemployed.

In fact, had the labor force participation rate stayed where it was in June 2009, the jobless rate would be around 11%.




As IBD reported recently, more than 5 million workers and their families have enrolled in the disability program since President Obama took office.

The Obama administration's economic advisers warned in a report last fall that the mass exodus of workers who can't find a job onto the disability rolls poses a long-term risk to the economy. Once enrolled, they almost never return to the active workforce. This can, the report said, result "in a loss to society of the economic contribution those workers could have made."

Informative graph in the IBD report

It indicates a classic "Obama Spike"



posted on May, 4 2012 @ 10:59 PM
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Ho Hum , Both Sides can SPIN All they want , but the Fact of the Matter is ,100 Million Americans Out Of Work , or Under Employed in the Last 4 Years ...........



posted on May, 4 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by braindeadconservatives
 




This entire economic turn of events that Obama is fixing is exactly why America should
not vote for Corporatist Conservatives. Because at least the liberal Corporatists care about
individual people and their standard of living. While Conservatives would see no problem in
employing toddlers and paying people $.15 an hour. Liberals would rather foster the highest
wages then swell the profits of a few.


Interesting comparison.

Perhaps you could expand on the differences between Corporatist Conservatives and liberal Corporatists ?


""Liberals would rather foster the highest
wages then swell the profits of a few. ""

I wonder why we are seeing all the low wage job creation ?




Conservative Corporatists do not care about the ex employees who have to survive
in the wake of their job destroying policies.

Liberal Corporatists, will at least direct resources and policies to improve education
and prevent widespread destitution.

Conservatives have used this entire mess to justify cutting jobs and benefits for people
all across this country. And you do not stimulate an economy by reducing the amount
of money circulating.

You are seeing high wage job creation and low, low wage jobs are due to the market shifting
manufacturing to Asia.
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posted on May, 4 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Conservative Corporatists do not care about the ex employees who have to survive
in the wake of their job destroying policies.

Liberal Corporatists, will at least direct resources and policies to improve education
and prevent widespread destitution.

Conservatives have used this entire mess to justify cutting jobs and benefits for people
all across this country. And you do not stimulate an economy by reducing the amount
of money circulating.

You are seeing high wage job creation and low, low wage jobs are due to the market shifting
manufacturing to Asia.


Well I suppose some genuine real time examples would help explain all that.

Maybe some company names and policies ?

One difference seems to be the standard Union / anti-Union Paradigm / Paradox







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posted on May, 4 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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Conservative Corporatists do not care about the ex employees who have to survive
in the wake of their job destroying policies.

Liberal Corporatists, will at least direct resources and policies to improve education
and prevent widespread destitution.

Conservatives have used this entire mess to justify cutting jobs and benefits for people
all across this country. And you do not stimulate an economy by reducing the amount
of money circulating.

You are seeing high wage job creation and low, low wage jobs are due to the market shifting
manufacturing to Asia.





Liberal corporatism refers to the application of economic corporatism by liberal political parties and organizations, that recognizes the bargaining interests of multiple groups within society, such as in the business, labour, and agricultural sectors and licenses them to engage in bargaining over economic policy with the state.[1] Liberal corporatism is often in conflict from proponents of liberal pluralism that opposes the granting of power to organized interest groups.[1] English liberal philosopher John Stuart Mill supported corporatist-like economic associations as needing to predominate in society to create equality for labourers and give them a voice in management through democratic economic rights.[2] Unlike a number of other forms of corporatism, liberal corporatism does not reject capitalism or individualism, but believes that the capitalist firm is a social institution that requires its managers to go beyond achieving the bottom line, by recognizing the needs of their members.[3] This liberal corporatist ethic was similar to Taylorism but called for democratization of the capitalism firm.[3] Liberal corporatists believed that inclusion of all members in the election of management would bring them into the process of management and in effect "reconcile ethics and efficiency, freedom and order, liberty and rationality".

Liberal Corporatism




Conservative corporatism, based upon the normative value of conservatism and the structural layout of corporatism, arose as a response to liberal pluralism and Marxist radicalism by rejecting the pluralism of liberalism, the dialectical materialism of Marxism and the mutually held secular attitudes of both liberalism and Marxism.[1] Economic systems of conservative corporatism are identified as involving a status-related welfare state, pronounced but not extreme income differentials, moderately hierarchical status rankings, moderate social rights and some social exclusion.

Conservative Corporatism




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edit on May-04-2012 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 4 2012 @ 11:55 PM
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Corporatism

Corporatism, also known as corporativism, is a system of economic, political, or social organization that involves association of the people of society into corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labor, military, patronage, or scientific affiliations, on the basis of common interests.[1] Corporatism is theoretically based upon the interpretation of a community as an organic body.[2][3] The term corporatism is based on the Latin root "corp" meaning "body".




Corporatism

In the last half of the 19th century people of the working class in Europe were beginning to show interest in the ideas of socialism and syndicalism. Some members of the intelligentsia, particularly the Catholic intelligentsia, decided to formulate an alternative to socialism which would emphasize social justice without the radical solution of the abolition of private property. The result was called Corporatism. The name had nothing to do with the notion of a business corporation except that both words are derived from the Latin word for body, corpus.

The basic idea of corporatism is that the society and economy of a country should be organized into major interest groups (sometimes called corporations) and representatives of those interest groups settle any problems through negotiation and joint agreement. In contrast to a market economy which operates through competition a corporate economic works through collective bargaining. The American president Lyndon Johnson had a favorite phrase that reflected the spirit of corporatism. He would gather the parties to some dispute and say, "Let us reason together."

Under corporatism the labor force and management in an industry belong to an industrial organization. The representatives of labor and management settle wage issues through collective negotiation. While this was the theory in practice the corporatist states were largely ruled according to the dictates of the supreme leader.

corpus



It all is an ultra liberal agenda.

Corporatism is collectivist; it is a different version of collectivism than socialism but it is definitely collectivist. It places some importance on the fact that private property is not nationalized, but the control through regulation is just as real. It is de facto nationalization without being de jure nationalization.

Although Corporatism is not a familiar concept to the general public, most of the economies of the world are corporatist in nature. The categories of socialist and pure market economy are virtually empty. There are only corporatist economies of various flavors.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
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Ho Hum , Both Sides can SPIN All they want , but the Fact of the Matter is ,100 Million Americans Out Of Work , or Under Employed in the Last 4 Years ...........


All we have to do is get the unemployment rate back down to 4%.

All of those Americans with jobs could then qualify for a 30 year mortgage.

It doesn't take an MBA from Harvard to see the ripple effects.

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With Obama, we can't get there from here.

Obama = 4 more years of stagnation + more debt



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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yeah mittens what is your plan ? give tax breaks to the rich and the economy will take off !!

step 1 - tax breaks for the rich
step 2 - ?
step 3 - jobs !



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
yeah mittens what is your plan ? give tax breaks to the rich and the economy will take off !!

step 1 - tax breaks for the rich
step 2 - ?
step 3 - jobs !


- Remove the wet blanket that has been wrapped around Free Market Capitalism.-

Peace and Prosperity returns to the USA.

The truth is simple.

Always remember that.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
yeah mittens what is your plan ? give tax breaks to the rich and the economy will take off !!

step 1 - tax breaks for the rich
step 2 - ?
step 3 - jobs !


- Remove the wet blanket that has been wrapped around Free Market Capitalism.-

Peace and Prosperity returns to the USA.

The truth is simple.

Always remember that.


the only way they can increase profit at this stage of an economy is by squeezing labor costs, which cannibalizes the whole system

that idea only benefits 10% of the population

which is why the GOP wraps itself in rhetoric about freedom, liberty and family values

if you represent 10% of the popultion it's hard to win an office



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