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Originally posted by worldwatcher
reply to post by humphreysjim
to prove or disprove, science would have to test every religion, every known prayer, every ritual ever known to man to figure that one out imo. Maybe God has silly rules before he/she answers prayers, maybe you had to take a shower, wear white and say the prayer X amount of times before he listens???
Originally posted by KaelemJames
reply to post by humphreysjim
As a believer in our Creator, i support science, too.
To know under these many scientific tests that has been done with prayer, how many of these people had the faith that it will be answered, actually had the faith that it HAS been answered.
I have said many prayers and most times i found nothing to be answered, but my faith was weak and doubt surrounded me. If one asks and believe it is, it is answered.
Originally posted by worldwatcher
reply to post by humphreysjim
I think the issue is we get caught up in trying to put a label on things and use words to describe things that perhaps can't be described or explained.
Originally posted by worldwatcherI understand why we do it and your point of debate, but science itself has shown that mind over matter sometimes works and miracles do exist, and things are still unexplained.
Originally posted by worldwatcherPrayer is one of those things... we ask, we demand, we want immediate results, but the universe and God(s) has never said that if you pray sincerely he will grant it immediately.
Originally posted by LastProphet527
Why is it that 100% of all humans’ prayers go unanswered every second of every body’s life here on earth, why?
Originally posted by humphreysjim
You are contradicting yourself here. You say with complete confidence that "If one asks and believe it is, it is answered.", and yet when you pray you often have weak faith and doubt.
Why the discrepancy? You seem so confident in your statement but you show your true colours in the lack of conviction you display when you pray.
Answer me this. If all one needs to do is ask for something, believe and it will be answered, why are so many starving and dying of diseases like cancer? Has not one person in all of history managed to pray for the eradication of these things with conviction? How can that be?
No, I don't think you mean that if we pray for cancer to be gone with belief it will be, I think you know that is not the case.
I wonder if you only become aware of your lack of conviction once the prayer has not come to be answered. I suspect so, this is ad-hoc rationalizing.
Originally posted by KaelemJamesAs i said above, one can be weaker at times. One day you are up and about, other days you see the cup half empty. And, as i said, i was referring to the past, not the present. I, too have now realized when i start to doubt and the negativity sets in that I am alert. When they arise within me i will pray straight away. I see these as "attacks" from a spiritual side, to demoralize and bring one down to morbidity and depression, and so lead you away from faith.
How do you know it is not happening? Each to themselves. Not everyone believes in God, nor has faith that the cancer or whatever disease/illness will be gone. I can say that this is the reason my faith has become stronger, i have overcome a disease with prayer. That is all i will say.
Don't you think that thinking like this is almost archaic? Even Canadians will invite a good person in their home and get to know them if they havn't. Don't you think denying a good person who assumes they would be allowed in is cruel? Sounds like God loves you until you knock without calling first, then he's a Dick.
Originally posted by syrinx2112
reply to post by LastProphet527
[Quote] Then I think: Why would God invite a stranger into his house even if he has been good?
Then I think some more: Would I invite a person that I don't know into my house if he/she knocked on my front door and said. Hello, my name is Billy and I've been a good person and I'm going to live in your home. My response would be: Billy I'm glad you've been a good person, but I don't know you. We don't have a relationship.