It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by Morg234
So is this still a "Deny Ignorance" website? Religion is the cornerstone of ignorance.
Originally posted by humphreysjim
Originally posted by troubleshooter
reply to post by humphreysjim
You remind me of a maiden childless aunt who is an expert on children...
...or celibate priest who is an expert on marriage.
Your analogy is flawed. Children exist, and therefore one can become an expert in them.
Following your analogy, you would be an expert in the behaviour of leprechauns.
Originally posted by Morg234
So is this still a "Deny Ignorance" website?
Religion is the cornerstone of ignorance.
Why can't people shake the disease? Is its hold on your heart too strong?
Fight it!edit on 5/5/12 by Morg234 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by Lasr1oftheJedi
Though i am very glad you survived your not looking at all the possible things that saved your life: Seat Belt, Air Bags, Steel Frames and Physics. Dont attribute things you dont know or understand to God. Theres always a logical explanation for everything that happens.
Originally posted by Lasr1oftheJedi
No seat beat no air bag in a ford ranger late 90s model that hit a telephone pole at 120 miles an hour. Rolled it thrice which crushed the cabin of the truck down to the dashboard on the driver's side (where I was). The engine block was thrust under the vehicle, which is by design. If not, it would've impaled me clean. But that I do attribute to engineering. I won't claim to be a physicist, but I know that if I could show you the pics of that wreck (moved a few times since then, and I know, conveniently enough, have lost those pics, as well as things far more important to me, in such moves.), you might even think "hm, maybe that was some divine intervention."
I understand that things like this can be hard to believe, as it has been throughout the ages of man. But I would dare say that sometimes (not always, just sometimes) the logical explanation is God did it.
Another example. My grandmother in the late 1980s is diagnosed with cancer. The doctor gives her a month to live, if she is lucky.
As a family, we pray, every day, for her. Now sure, she still sees a doctor, and receives treatment. Faith is important, but God put people with the sharps to be doctors on the planet for a reason. At the end of the month, there was not one cell of cancer in her. Not one. Her doctor said he had never see anything like it. "Just short of a miracle" was his exact words.
Originally posted by Badgered1
You prayed, and you got a new baseball, car, house, job.
Someone in Darfur prayed for food and got nothing.
Someone in Sudan prayed for peace and got nothing.
Someone in XXXX prayed for the bombs to stop falling and got nothing.
Someone in XXXX prayed that their stepfather would stop raping them and got nothing.
Someone in XXXX prayed that they could kick drugs and got nothing.
Someone in XXXX prayed that they could survive AIDS but got nothing.
Someone in XXXX prayed for a new limb but got nothing.
Someone in XXXX prayed for a drink of clean water and got nothing.
Someone in XXXX prayed for their priest to stop molesting them and got nothing.
Someone in XXXX prayed for a pain free death and got nothing.
Someone in XXXX prayed for rain and got nothing.
Someone in XXXX prayed for a stop to the rain and got nothing.
Should I go on?
These someones are all praying to the 'one and only god,' remember? There's only one, so it shouldn't matter what faith they are.
These things happen every day. Every minute.
If your god is loving, he only answers the prayer of the few.
The living-in-a-first-world-country lucky.
The living-in-a-first-world-country-so-I-have-the-opportunity-to-pick-myself-up-and-do-something-for-myself lucky.
He works in mysterious ways?
The mystery is why you pray to him in the first place.
If I met him/her/it/3.14, I'd avoid him/her/it/3.14.
Not a nice god at all. I've read the book he/she/it/3.14 was supposed to have written, and every step of the way this god is a complete b******d.
If you had a 'friend' or 'acquaintance' who acted even remotely like your god, you'd have very little to do with them.